Raw notes governance 07 04 02
Raw notes of the governance meeting
trixxiee Schomer: welcome to the governance meeting, everyone Wintermute Schomer: *snore* Liony Schomer: laaaag Liony Schomer: :P Liony Schomer: :) trixxiee Schomer: firstly, if you want to speak, please use IM through the SParkers1 stream Mirage Schomer: made a hammer Liony Schomer: ok trixxiee Schomer: the normal chat is for discussion purposes XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: like we were meant to last time? Wintermute Schomer: too big! topper Schomer: whact stream trixxiee Schomer: Winter, if you're not going to be helpful, be quiet :P Wintermute Schomer: dont you tell me to be quiet dollopfrog2 Schomer: bang bang bang Liony Schomer: ohhhdear ... trixxiee Schomer: please don't make talking objects during the meeting, because that's irritating Wintermute Schomer: ow dollopfrog2 Schomer: order!!! topper Schomer shouts: how do u joion the Stream dollopfrog2 Schomer shouts: BANG! Wintermute Schomer: ORDER IN THE DAMN COURT! Liony Schomer: :P dollopfrog2 Schomer: look at my hammer! trixxiee Schomer: if you are not part of the SParkers1 group, please talk to Ranger, becaise I can't help there baso Schomer: gyus, if this is gonna always be like, this, interupting all th time, theres no point in this baso Schomer: so please, Faz Schomer: great meeting guys! trixxiee Schomer: thank you, Baso Wintermute Schomer: gaz, nice helicpter Wintermute Schomer: faz* Liony Schomer: :P Faz Schomer: gyrocopter acctually XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: go trix... XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: :) Liony Schomer: ok so, basically, is the point in this meeting to set up a government? Liony Schomer: oh right :P trixxiee Schomer: and I apologise, cos I seem to have a lot of lag topper Schomer: k Mirage Schomer: right Mirage Schomer: np Wintermute Schomer: as always Liony Schomer: :P Faz Schomer: I dont rely on the adults unless i need some money. Liony Schomer: :P Mirage Schomer: i might seem out of it for a while my brother is playing on wow Faz Schomer: or scripting tips Wintermute Schomer: Idont rely on the adults PERIOD XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: well for tose who do! Wintermute Schomer: I jsut annoy them Liony Schomer: :P Wintermute Schomer: its what i'm good at trixxiee Schomer: so, obviously democracy, as in governments, isn't the only way of ruling, so does anyone have any suggestions as to how we should set up a way of looking after schome park for ourselves? trixxiee Schomer: so I've noticed, Winter dollopfrog2 Schomer: communist Liony Schomer: Oligarchy? Wintermute Schomer: i'm agaisnt a pariminet baso Schomer: i do baso Schomer: can i speak for a mo please Mirage Schomer: dictatorship? trixxiee Schomer: yes, baso Wintermute Schomer: god no Liony Schomer: Monarchy :P baso Schomer: ok Wintermute Schomer: unless its me in charge Faz Schomer: um Ill pick it up Liony Schomer: :P Mirage Schomer: oh queen? Wintermute Schomer: how about a metrocracy? baso Schomer: i think, we should help each other, ok the money issue, Mirage Schomer: majority voting baso Schomer: we need adults for that Liony Schomer: well if there is anything, could I be head of the police? :P achilles Schomer: think of this, democracy is the slowest form of governemnt but is the fairest baso Schomer: can i ask you, why otherwise do you ask for them baso Schomer: ? Wintermute Schomer: I want to be head of spies Liony Schomer: not necessarily XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: well I will be Queen if I must :P baso Schomer: and also Mirage Schomer: htis is the NFTP all over again :P Liony Schomer: it can be quite biased Wintermute Schomer: no , TRIX IS QUEEN! Liony Schomer: Indeedy :8 baso Schomer: ok topper Schomer: please can we not get ahead of our selfs trixxiee Schomer: yes, because obviously, we need to be as fair as possible, so is democracy/government the best way to do that? Wintermute Schomer: haha Faz Schomer: um woops trixxiee Schomer: thank you, Winter dollopfrog2 Schomer: STOP BEING DUMB!!! WITH THE SPIES AND DICTATORSHIP!!! WHO WOULD U SPY ON???? baso Schomer: im goign to shut up, i cant even get a word in Wintermute Schomer: MYSELF! trixxiee Schomer: can everyone be quiet and let Baso speak please? dollopfrog2 Schomer: WELL DONE achilles Schomer: you know can ppl plz shut up if you haveb't got anything usefull to say Mirage Schomer: baso? you where saying trixxiee Schomer: if you want to chat, please use IM Faz Schomer: i did say i was picking it up... =l baso Schomer: ok, think about it, baso Schomer: why do we need staff other than learning things like physics and scripting baso Schomer: and also money Wintermute Schomer: and cleaning up Liony Schomer: good point baso Schomer: and how much would you say you build baso Schomer: that was pointless baso Schomer: or isnt needed Faz Schomer: thats all the reasons there baso Schomer: that much baso Schomer: ? topper Schomer: some people are less confident Wintermute Schomer: ok, hang on, let me just point this out! baso Schomer: can i just add on Wintermute Schomer: once this island is open, the goverment will have to be given control of delelting Wintermute Schomer: because we're going to have a lot of people coming here Wintermute Schomer: and thats a lot of mess Liony Schomer: also, can I say something? baso Schomer: i quoted a while ago, on this, we become more mature topper Schomer: yep baso Schomer: so for that to happen Wintermute Schomer: not me trixxiee Schomer: so, now we're talking about the powers a governement would have. what other powers do you think there should be? baso Schomer: take this as adults baso Schomer: i beleve plannig permit and also respect should come into order Liony Schomer: laag XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: we should get a group of original NAGTYers Liony Schomer: if we do have a government, perhaps that would be the fairest way to ecide what gets built where? Liony Schomer: *decide topper Schomer: we need a planning comity Wintermute Schomer: there you go, Trix baso Schomer: and i agree with liony Faz Schomer: this isnt a meeting its a mob. take it in turn guys? trixxiee Schomer: thanks, Winter Mirage Schomer: powers we should have things like planning permisson, how best to use the land on this island Liony Schomer: thanks baso :) Liony Schomer: and also rule-breaking trixxiee Schomer: so, would a planning comittee be the same aas the government, or would they be separate? dollopfrog2 Schomer: i think we need some land each XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: well would we need a court?? Liony Schomer: separate topper Schomer: no land ownership Liony Schomer: but also a part of dollopfrog2 Schomer: cos i wanna b able 2 make trees n stuff achilles Schomer: i thin planning commitee should be a job of a department of the gov Wintermute Schomer: I think we should see if we can get people to continue the 'lessons' topper Schomer: yep i agree with baso Liony Schomer: yes that is a good idea Winter :) Barbie Schomer: yep Faz Schomer: we should also get the best builders and the best scripters and make commities of them baso Schomer: i think every month or two month we should elect helpers Mirage Schomer: i think that they should be both, as they need to be part of the gov else they would condradict them but they also need their own hirachy trixxiee Schomer: I think that it is useful to have the strand staff, but obviously, the less we need to rely on them the better, really topper Schomer: yes XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: but if we had land each we wouldn't be able to socialize as most people would be building baso Schomer: i think we make our own achilles Schomer: can i addd something baso Schomer: we have a ballet Liony Schomer: We do need people who can help others though baso Schomer: and it gets reelected baso Schomer: ever 2 moths baso Schomer: or soo trixxiee Schomer: so, going back to point 3 on the agenda, would there be a leader of the government, talking about heirarchies, and wuld there be seperate departments Liony Schomer: :) achilles Schomer: yes Liony Schomer: probably baso Schomer: well XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: and we would need a courthouse to stop the rule-breaking Mirage Schomer: yes topper Schomer: we need to set up a goverment baso Schomer: just like a government baso Schomer: but like the UN Faz Schomer: I like helping on online games. been doing it for over a year trixxiee Schomer: how would we elect the government, and how would we elect the leader from that? dollopfrog2 Schomer: i would like some public land where we can section bits off and remove sections as we need. like the sandbox but with permission to make trees n grass Mirage Schomer: but they must all report to one central co-ordinator baso Schomer: no leader Liony Schomer: everyone should be in the 'government' XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: 1st we need to decide on job titles Liony Schomer: but the leader should be elected trixxiee Schomer: would it be easier to have people nominate themselves and do a manifesto, or would they be nominated by other people? baso Schomer: can i raise a point rather quick trixxiee Schomer: I think it would get complicated if everyone was in the government, because there are a lot of people on the island dollopfrog2 Schomer: go XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: then we can elect a person for each job, eg head of buildig etc Mirage Schomer: leader every 2 months comitee/boards every month? Liony Schomer: ok baso Schomer: think about the structure of the United Nations, and use it Liony Schomer: :) Faz Schomer: this is pointless. none of the views are being heard. Mirage Schomer: hmmm what exactly is that? Faz Schomer: take it in turn guys? trixxiee Schomer: okay, so that is point three covered, what would the government do, once they have been elected? Liony Schomer: I don't think you should have those rules about 'you can only be on the government once' trixxiee Schomer: Faz, don't worry, a summary will be put on the wiki to see the points clearly Mirage Schomer: hmmmm Liony Schomer: because then you could get someone really good who couldn't be elected again baso Schomer: no...you can be on the government for 3 periods in a row Liony Schomer: ok achilles Schomer: yead ageed with liony trixxiee Schomer: okay baso Schomer: and must be very sensible Liony Schomer: :) Faz Schomer: trixxiee thats not my point. the point is nobody is replying they are just shouting Mirage Schomer: 2 term selectiuona dn then a break? XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: sort out building and what have you, with a different member responsible for each department baso Schomer: yes mirage trixxiee Schomer: so what would the departments be? Wintermute Schomer: i'd like to still hold the library Faz Schomer: good idea daisy achilles Schomer: i say any1 on a depart cna stay forever but leader 1 term Liony Schomer: planning, law & order,ruling Wintermute Schomer: and the philosopy baso Schomer: departments 1. Pllanning Liony Schomer: general decisions Faz Schomer: building, planning, order XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: building...land ownership...rule-breaking..etc baso Schomer: yes topper Schomer: the goverment shpuld have some moderaters as other wiseth island would desend into cayos baso Schomer: daisy Faz Schomer: safety Wintermute Schomer: good point Liony Schomer: oh yes safety is a good point achilles Schomer: utorial trixxiee Schomer: so would the government be allowed the same sort of powers that the staff currently have, be able to delete things and such? achilles Schomer: tutorial baso Schomer: so 1. Bulding, 2. Help and Safety of the Community, 3. Rule Breaking Liony Schomer: no achilles Schomer: tutorial baso Schomer: yes Liony Schomer: unless you work in a department which requires them baso Schomer: well...the certain divisions Wintermute Schomer: hang on baso Schomer: like the building topper Schomer: yep right lioney XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: I don't think the should have the same powers... baso Schomer: would need them Faz Schomer: i would very much like to be involved with building. Wintermute Schomer: what about the education ? Liony Schomer: obviously if you are a cleaner, you need to be able to move/delete things Wintermute Schomer: i'd like to be involoed in education PrettyKindOfOrc Schomer: dunno i dont remember achilles Schomer: i could do planning Mirage Schomer: afk baso Schomer: and law would have to be able to delete XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: well made liony Liony Schomer: good point baso baso Schomer: could i make asuggestion Liony Schomer: laag trixxiee Schomer: because people are saying what they want to do, are we saying now that they can nominate themselves, or is it still going to be 'closed' ballots? Liony Schomer: sure :) baso Schomer: i think, we make a few thread on the forum Wintermute Schomer: a vote baso Schomer: and people can post on this baso Schomer: for a week Mirage Schomer: back achilles Schomer: open nominations then votes Liony Schomer: good idea baso baso Schomer: and then we hold a meeting on results baso Schomer: ty Wintermute Schomer: someone needs to build a ballot box Liony Schomer: :) baso Schomer: wintert Wintermute Schomer: yes/ Liony Schomer: :) topper Schomer: people might feel pushed out though....... trixxiee Schomer: yes, I think a thread in the forum will be useful afterwards baso Schomer: i can make a box were you put ur name baso Schomer: like a lottery XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: I think we should work out a way to vote in world Wintermute Schomer: Trix, may I lead now/ trixxiee Schomer: yes, Winter topper Schomer: nowe need the best person for the job baso Schomer: i no one way baso Schomer: but its rather tricky Liony Schomer: baso? baso Schomer: one were you touch it baso Schomer: and it sends an email Mirage Schomer: which job where? baso Schomer: and then you cant touch it again baso Schomer: or Wintermute Schomer: I look stupid in this baso Schomer: !!! Liony Schomer: shut up! baso is speaking! baso Schomer: you could make a group of objects baso Schomer: were they are non copiable and the ones that have less in the end baso Schomer: wins baso Schomer: ? baso Schomer: ? XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: great idea! Wintermute Schomer: good idea Liony Schomer: I think it would be easier to have a thread on the forums, personally topper Schomer: me to baso Schomer: so do i, a thread would be a hell of a lot easier XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: but it should be annoymous Barbie Schomer: exactly Liony Schomer: ask the mods if it can be moderated more often trixxiee Schomer: for open nominations, the easiest is probably to do it in the wiki, for closed its more complicated baso Schomer: infact baso Schomer: perhaps a survey baso Schomer: were its annonimous topper Schomer shouts: this meeting isent working baso Schomer: ? Liony Schomer: Hmm ... XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: yeah that is good Baso Faz Schomer: afk.. not that my contributions mean anything anyway. trixxiee Schomer: shall we move on, Winter? Wintermute Schomer: indeed XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: like the questionnaire? topper Schomer: people art getting a word in baso Schomer: yes topper Schomer: arnet Wintermute Schomer: the darptments; ideas? Liony Schomer: yes, that's a good idea :) Wintermute Schomer: what shall we have? achilles Schomer: tutorial achilles Schomer: law Mirage Schomer: building, scripting, gerneral affairs etc. Wintermute Schomer: what about Education? Liony Schomer: Safety achilles Schomer: planning Liony Schomer: planning permission trixxiee Schomer: Public Relations/Communications Liony Schomer: Law & Order Wintermute Schomer: our teachers arnt going to be here forever Liony Schomer: :P Mirage Schomer: finances Liony Schomer: finances? Liony Schomer: Mirage we don't have any money here :P Mirage Schomer: yup that i can't spell trixxiee Schomer: for money and such, I presume achilles Schomer: not finaces or pr not needed XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: court houses, a proper legal system baso Schomer: Ok, Building, PPublic Relations, Law and Order, Finances, General LeaderShip, Reports Wintermute Schomer: EDUCATION, PEOPLE! Liony Schomer: :) baso Schomer: Education Wintermute Schomer: what are we going to do about it? achilles Schomer: planning Liony Schomer: oh yes education - like teachers Liony Schomer: :) Mirage Schomer: Planning permisson is a must Wintermute Schomer: teachers wonrt be here forever Liony Schomer: planning = building dept Wintermute Schomer: we will have to 'become' baso Schomer: but winter baso Schomer: we have skyhihg, that is an example baso Schomer: of education achilles Schomer: can i make a pooint? Liony Schomer: sure achilles trixxiee Schomer: could we stick to the agenda, and discuss this at the end if there is tim,e, since we seem to be going round in circles Euphloozie Phlox is Online Barbie Schomer: i think people could organise sessions if they want to themselves achilles Schomer: how many posts will each person be allowed to apply for: one person can't do every job Wintermute Schomer: Trix, you take the lead, i've got to have dinner XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: one post per persom Liony Schomer: one trixxiee Schomer: ok Liony Schomer: :) achilles Schomer: and leadership should be an addtional one Liony Schomer: no trixxiee Schomer: right, firstly can whoever made that moveit out of my face Liony Schomer: it shouldn't trixxiee Schomer: thank you Wintermute Schomer: hah achilles Schomer: so ppl can apply to one depeartment and leadershi XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: no one or the other leadership or a post Wintermute Schomer: i'll still be in charge of the library Liony Schomer: :) Liony Schomer: indeedy XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: we'll do that at the end? trixxiee Schomer: now, if we could go to the agenda, and discuss what departments there should be at the end, because it can be discussed on the forum, and we are still going in circles Liony Schomer: ok Wintermute Schomer: trinagles Liony Schomer: ok so what number of the agenda are we on? trixxiee Schomer: so, should we have anoy other rules generally as well as the AUP to help keep Schome Park friendly and easy-to-manage? dollopfrog2 Schomer is Offline trixxiee Schomer: number 5 achilles Schomer: education, planning, law, Liony Schomer: yes that'sgood Liony Schomer: yes baso Schomer: umm topper Schomer: what is law though Wintermute Schomer: to control within parametiers baso Schomer: guys, focus on te givin task Liony Schomer: if you break a rule XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: I think we need a law to, like no theft of objects etc... XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: no shoting trixxiee Schomer: things like not building on ground level, except in the sandbox? Mirage Schomer: baisc laws and punishments. Wintermute Schomer: we cant do that Liony Schomer: that's a good one achilles Schomer: no punishemnt baso Schomer: GUYS, please, listen to trix baso Schomer: Girls also Mirage Schomer: that's doable Liony Schomer: :P Wintermute Schomer: :P topper Schomer: but some devolopments need to be on the ground Liony Schomer: ok topper Schomer: eg. the marina Liony Schomer: but they would be allowed with planning permission achilles Schomer: sthats planning's job trixxiee Schomer: ok, no developments on the ground unless they have the permission of the soon-to-be planning department? Mirage Schomer: other ones with planning permisson? Liony Schomer: :) achilles Schomer: correct XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: and no sootin Liony Schomer: ok are we agreed on that? trixxiee Schomer: anything else? baso Schomer: ok. I personally, only building in the sandbox then consult a planning adviser Mirage Schomer: gd gd trixxiee Schomer: what about violence? topper Schomer: but sky devolopments need to be regulated as well baso Schomer: and they should do that achilles Schomer: yep agree with baso XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: no shooting...winter.... Liony Schomer: :P Mirage Schomer: water area must be free of boats unless dopcked in the marina Wintermute Schomer: heyt baso Schomer: No act of violence to be commenced XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: :P trixxiee Schomer: there was a topic in the forum on this, don't know if people have had a chance to read it, but what do you think about weapons? Wintermute Schomer: I thionk we should have a thing a week, or every couple of weeks Wintermute Schomer: wehre the whole thing is a war zone XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: or those leaves... trixxiee Schomer: but then we have to decide what counts as violence, baso Wintermute Schomer: just for fun achilles Schomer: specific area nowhere els Liony Schomer: or unless you are driving said boats :P Mirage Schomer: certian areas and at certian times e.g. re-enactments baso Schomer: violence, shooting, virtually hurting baso Schomer: umm XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: yes, some people no tlike war.. baso Schomer: verbal topper Schomer: yep Liony Schomer: those are good trixxiee Schomer: how about a specific shooting area or something, so that the poeple that don't want to get shot/whatever, can avoid it Wintermute Schomer: good idea achilles Schomer: agree with trix Mirage Schomer: nice idea baso Schomer: yes Wintermute Schomer: Trix, i trust you'll be in it all the time Wintermute Schomer: I know I will :p Liony Schomer: :P Wintermute Schomer: yes XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: yeah, but can you control your shots? Mirage Schomer: barriers and doors XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: ok baso Schomer: we could hold a rifles / shooting club Liony Schomer: should the law enforcement be givenm weapons? Liony Schomer: *given Mirage Schomer: area has a wall on it only accesible via the door achilles Schomer: no baso Schomer: ever so long in the function room at skybase Wintermute Schomer: I plan to use weapons to boot people out of the library baso Schomer: or even make a huge room Liony Schomer: :P baso Schomer: to shoot in topper Schomer: no law in forsment MUST be peaceful XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: not me you won't winter Liony Schomer: but breaking the law isn't :S Mirage Schomer: how about the libarary as a verison of laser tag? XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: we need a police achilles Schomer: unless the breakersin't peaceful baso Schomer: i was just thinking that Liony Schomer: ok baso Schomer: a lser tag in the sky topper Schomer: we dont need a ploice force Liony Schomer: so we have laws for the law enforcement then? achilles Schomer: if we open to the grid then ppl won't be friendly baso Schomer: if they arnt achilles Schomer: peace won't work baso Schomer: bann them from the area XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: well we need a court to stop people and there are some weridos out there baso Schomer: it s doable topper Schomer: we just need to regulate buildings Etc Liony Schomer: well we'll need someone to build a court then trixxiee Schomer: ok, to summarise so far: a government is the best way to go about looking after Schome Park, and they will be eleced by open nominations and then closed ballot. A leader would be elected, and there would be sub departments to sort out specific things. certain departments would have differnt powers in accordance to their roles, and they would be allowed to be relected a max of 3 terms in a row. rules about building and violence should be made. is there anything I have missed so far? Wintermute Schomer: excuse me, daisiy! Mirage Schomer: how about codeing that allows only sparkers to this island trixxiee Schomer: at the moment, the island isn't open to the main teen grid, so no one else can come here, apart from the staff achilles Schomer: thats already in place mirage Woop Kamachi: useful summary, thanks Trix Wintermute Schomer: no, how would we get new members? Liony Schomer: its there already :P XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: if we make an area where a NAGTY people only could go baso Schomer: i think, if we place it in an awquard position achilles Schomer: but thats exclusive XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: if we join the group baso Schomer: and place a teleport into a newbie place achilles Schomer: imagine if you were a non nagtyer baso Schomer: so they come and learn baso Schomer: etc... Wintermute Schomer: exactly baso Schomer: and any misbehavors achilles Schomer: kick baso Schomer: get banned foom the area Mirage Schomer: right baso Schomer: wich is simple XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: exactly, but we can go in there if you need to get away from the indecen people Wintermute Schomer: like paedophles XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: well yeah Liony Schomer: well paedophiles should be permanently banned trixxiee Schomer: this is a teen grid, and we don't have to open the island to the rest of the grid, I don't think Wintermute Schomer: io've encountered them Liony Schomer: I think most people have :S Wintermute Schomer: dosent stop someone from forging deatils topper Schomer: if it is open to the main grid we need some order somting we dont have trixxiee Schomer: ok, moving on achilles Schomer: no adults on this grid except education XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: but, I've been on the grid before this project achilles Schomer: like the staff on this island XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: (TSL) achilles Schomer: main and teeen grids are seperate achilles Schomer: no commucation between XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: yeah trixxiee Schomer: okay, next point that I've been asked to raise is how would we help each other, without having to rely on the staff so much? should there be a help team, should it be down to the government, or just whoever's online? Mirage Schomer: we have 10 mins guys baso Schomer: well Liony Schomer: government achilles Schomer: whoevers online Mirage Schomer: both baso Schomer: everyone Aston Schomer: just ask anyone baso Schomer: should help everyone Liony Schomer: or you could have a HELP DEPARTMENT :p trixxiee Schomer: but surely, the people in the governent arent necessarily going to be the people who can best help? Liony Schomer: oops caps :S XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: we need specialists in each subject to ask baso Schomer: with dais baso Schomer: yes baso Schomer: daisy* Mirage Schomer: eg head builder, scripter etc. on help desk call topper Schomer: every1 has different expertise so every can help every1 achilles Schomer: we can't create jobs for the sake of it ppl its ineffiecnet trixxiee Schomer: so would we compile a list of people, say on the wiki, of who we can contact aout a particular subject, for help? Aston Schomer: yeah Liony Schomer: yes that's good :) Aston Schomer: great idea baso Schomer: yepp trixxiee Schomer: I don't think we should create jobs, just lists of people we can ask to help us baso Schomer: ye XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: like the help button where it send s offline staff an mail baso Schomer: no daisy Aston Schomer: but we could say who is good at what Liony Schomer: offline staff? Mirage Schomer: so a section for builders another for sripters trixxiee Schomer: remember you can always offline IM people if you want their help specifically XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: well when all staff are offline it emails them and I guess it wasn't such a goood idea trixxiee Schomer: I think it would be best if we didn't have to relyon a help button as such, but asked people that were around through IM, or offline messaging them if they are not here Liony Schomer: no a help button is a good idea XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: yeah ignore me..please Liony Schomer: but it sends them to online staff trixxiee Schomer: if we did ofline emails, who would the emails be sent to? XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: gp Liony Schomer: and then you get help immediately trixxiee Schomer: the goverment, the leader, the people who are on the list as helpers, everyone? baso Schomer: guys, girls, is there a help button in real life, or do you just call ur freinds baso Schomer: ? Liony Schomer: specialists baso Schomer: or specialists? Mirage Schomer: enter what kind of help you need and then an email only goes out to those with experience in those areas XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: so we've fgot specialists so far trixxiee Schomer: offline emailing can be irriating if you are away, for instance, so maybe that's not the best route to go down? Liony Schomer: indeedy Mirage Schomer: hmmmm XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: ok no offline emails baso Schomer: but saying some body is a specialist, that meens that ur downgrading another person topper Schomer: yep baso Schomer: just put people hu wil help TheSchome Ranger: You could use the SParkers 1 group to seek help - IM SParkers 1 achilles Schomer: +1 baso Liony Schomer: not necessarily trixxiee Schomer: thanks, Ranger baso Schomer: and the person can add or emove them selves from the list XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: good point rnager Liony Schomer: good point Faz Schomer: I dont like how these meetings are being run Wintermute Schomer: it's too messy achilles Schomer: i agree Liony Schomer: how so? trixxiee Schomer: yes, so we will set up a wiki page that tells us who is good at what, you can add yourself to the list, and if you need help, you will see if one of these people are online, yes? Mirage Schomer: what baout haveing a group for builders and another for scripters etc. then offline iming them topper Schomer: here here baso Schomer: yes Faz Schomer: its just a mob XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: yes XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: (imean for trix) achilles Schomer: its people looking after themselves Aston Schomer: go justice! Faz Schomer: woot justice! Mirage Schomer: i'm confused baso Schomer: just like in real life, weer you pick up the yellow pages Liony Schomer: justice is cool :P topper Schomer: Hallaulgh me point has got acrosss Faz Schomer: uh maybe taking turns like normal meetings? baso Schomer: and find somebody hu will help trixxiee Schomer: okay, is it alright to move on now? XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: yeah topper Schomer: someones talking coman sence now Liony Schomer: sure :) Mirage Schomer: 5 mins baso Schomer: i think so achilles Schomer: can i make a very important point trixxiee Schomer: yes, achillies achilles Schomer: the sucess of this pilot rests on this government baso Schomer: bbr guys achilles Schomer: if ppl can't behave maturely then the pilot ends cos nagty will not pay for continuation topper Schomer: yep we need a strong goverment Liony Schomer: I agree Mirage Schomer: the way nagty's going we may not be around next year achilles Schomer: so if you want to pilot to go on then plz ppl be quiet trixxiee Schomer: thank you, achilles trixxiee Schomer: okay, so if we move to point 6 on the agenda, please Mirage Schomer: hmmm good point Liony Schomer: ok XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: we need a courthouse Mirage Schomer: temple would do Liony Schomer: well disputes could be resolved withhelp of a court trixxiee Schomer: is a courthouse sensible for every type of debate? baso Schomer: umm, this could be the court? achilles Schomer: a courthouse is unessacary it is a publci mob house topper Schomer: no people need to sort it out them selves Liony Schomer: no, we needa proper court Mirage Schomer: no major ones probably minor unnessicary XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: well what about a repiica house Mirage Schomer: ? Liony Schomer: ?? achilles Schomer: if a courst is like this then its a public flogging Liony Schomer: lag Aston Schomer: i think that having a court is ridiculous Wintermute Schomer: i've just learnt that the group ssytem has a voting system in place XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: like amodel of a court house trixxiee Schomer: if a dispute can't be sorted out personally, should one neutral person come in to help, or should it go to a court? baso Schomer: Disputes- Should ge somebody, a freind to try and calm them down and resolve it Liony Schomer: maybe it should be both Aston Schomer: i second that achilles Schomer: if in trouble call staff XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: what Trixiee said baso Schomer: no topper Schomer: people need to sort disputes out themselves trixxiee Schomer: also, if you have an argument with someone, would you want the whole world/schome park to know about it? I know I wouldn't achilles Schomer: that you ca't solve Mirage Schomer: court should only be for major desiscions and disputes Aston Schomer: i agree baso Schomer: cos thats using staff...the very ting were questioning against Liony Schomer: hear hear Mirage topper Schomer: no court trixxiee Schomer: staff? is that the government, the leader, the adults here? achilles Schomer: court is a show trial XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: and yes mirage topper Schomer: it wont solve a thing achilles Schomer: think about it this way trixxiee Schomer: court to me suggests something like a murder or divorce case, which obviously wouldn't happen here Liony Schomer: :P topper Schomer: yep Mirage Schomer: yes in SL marrige... :P achilles Schomer: if it came down to a court with a jury then ifsomeone was to be kicked out for gulty Wintermute Schomer: Trix, I want to marry you Liony Schomer: well we could have marriages here :P XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: well, a persistant argetting could end up in court Aston Schomer: what is going to happen here that needs a court!?!?!?!?!?!?!? achilles Schomer: then it would be who has the most mates trixxiee Schomer: but would the disputes we have here be necessary for a court? Aston Schomer: no Liony Schomer: possibly topper Schomer: we DONT NEED A COURT Barbie Schomer: that would be sooooooo cool if you could get amrried Barbie Schomer: *married baso Schomer: Disputes - Minor (abusing ppl etc..) Freind sorts it out, calms them down and warms them, Major (greifing etc...) A Jury to be brought up like once a wekk or two weeks achilles Schomer: a court is unfair in a closed socity Liony Schomer: I agree with Baso Faz Schomer: ahem. may i talk? XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: what Baso said!!! Aston Schomer: justice!!!!! Liony Schomer shouts: let Faztalk trixxiee Schomer: ok, we seem to have a disagreement here about courts, so should we discuss this firther on the forums? Mirage Schomer: yes trixxiee Schomer: Faz, would you like to speak? baso Schomer: i agree with trix Faz Schomer: i would Liony Schomer: :P Faz Schomer: will everybody hear me out? Liony Schomer: ok baso Schomer: yes Mirage Schomer: yes XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: yeah Wintermute Schomer: Faz, nice head! trixxiee Schomer: yes Aston Schomer: bring on that justice Faz Schomer: to be honest i hate the way these meetings are being run. we should go round asking each person present what they think on the matter with no interuptions untill they are finished topper Schomer: here here achilles Schomer: +1 Mirage Schomer: hmmm Faz Schomer: wouldnt that get things solved? Liony Schomer: that would take too long ... Decimus Schomer: That would help, but I think it'd be difficult to get done Euphloozie Phlox: /It strikes me that this is one affordance of SL that differentiates it from standard IM systems Faz Schomer: but isnt it better than a rabble of shouting people? Aston Schomer: justice!!!!! and yes i agree topper Schomer: no it would be a fair way of dealing with it trixxiee Schomer: time is a problem - we have already overrun here, and we have not finished yet XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: but then a point may be made that you eant to comment about achilles Schomer: yes but in this case nobody is listening, only shouting Liony Schomer: xshall we all meet tomorrow to finish this? baso Schomer: no achilles Schomer: no Aston Schomer: all we could over run and not worry trixxiee Schomer: no, I think it's easiest just to finish now Mirage Schomer: continue this on the forums? baso Schomer: i think , make this on the forum and give it one week XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: no my mum's bday Liony Schomer: yes, on the forum :) Decimus Schomer: At least here we can read everyone's points, whereas in RL you can't hear one person from a group baso Schomer: then compare the results topper Schomer: what about having a trial paliment trixxiee Schomer: I have the chat logged (hopefully) so I will be ablehelp from the staff trixxiee Schomer: yes, Ranger TheSchome Ranger: Can I say something? Decimus Schomer: Topper - I don't think there are enough people here Liony Schomer: :) Faz Schomer: if oraganising meetings here doesnt work then maybe move them to the forum? topper Schomer: but we could see how it works Liony Schomer: hear hear Decimus Schomer: But then we wouldn't have the dancing :p XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: gp Liony Schomer: lag Liony Schomer: :P Mirage Schomer: :P Faz Schomer: I'll let you all get on with it now. Faz Schomer: thankyou trixxiee Schomer: keep on topic please, everyone Aston Schomer: justice!!!!!!! trixxiee Schomer: thank you, Faz Liony Schomer: ok XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: Ranger, you wanted to speak? Decimus Schomer: The thing with the forums is that it could take days to sort out something we can sort out in a matter of 30mins to an hour here Wintermute Schomer: I offer fire to you mortals trixxiee Schomer: Ranger was saying? TheSchome Ranger: Thanks Trixx - There are a few staff here - and we have been deliberately keeping quiet (bar a few private IMs in the background) - cos it is important that you take ownership of this thing. TheSchome Ranger: and there is a danger that you see what we say as being more important in some way that what you say TheSchome Ranger: and that would be bad from my point of view Wintermute Schomer: yeah TheSchome Ranger: However, there are things that we might be able to help with Aston Schomer: here here TheSchome Ranger: so long as you were happy that you could take them or leave them XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: will staff be able to access this grid if it is opened uo? Decimus Schomer: Yep, that's the Right Thing, I think trixxiee Schomer: agreed TheSchome Ranger: there are also things that we might want to 'be persuaded of' - and which you might do well to bear in mind TheSchome Ranger: so - for example - the future of the pilot is very much dependent upon what you folk decide to do - Object: Couldn't find sound boom Arm Watch Thingy: Couldn't find sound startup Object: Couldn't find sound boom Dance Bracelet For Men v3.5 (Club Elite) whispers: Club Elite Dance Script v3.5. Type 'Help' for commands. baso Schomer is Online Arm Watch Thingy: Couldn't find sound launch Arm Watch Thingy: Couldn't find sound explosion Arm Watch Thingy: Unable to give inventory: No item named 'Rocket Launcher' TheSchome Ranger: and how that works out in terms fo the community being self sustaining TheSchome Ranger: and there are things we might be able to help with in terms of that TheSchome Ranger: if you wanted Faz Schomer: I have to leave now XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: so we don't have to depend on anyone, but you could help us if needed Mirage Schomer: bye faz XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: ? Aston Schomer: by XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: bye faz Liony Schomer: bye trixxiee Schomer: bye Faz trixxiee Schomer: thank you for coming topper Schomer: bye Aston Schomer: keep going with that justice Decimus Schomer: Sounds right, Daisy Wintermute Schomer: using 'partner'oo TheSchome Ranger: we are keen that you become self-sustaining - in a way that is inclusive - not clicque TheSchome Ranger: (how do you spell clique?) Liony Schomer: no idea :P topper Schomer shouts: HERE HERE Mirage Schomer: don't ask me Faz Schomer: I want you to think about this. a person is smart but people are stupid and of those who do not talk few are silent Object: ShadowQueen Schomer is in need of help at the SCHOME PARK help station. trixxiee Schomer: you got it right there, Ranger TheSchome Ranger: cos it would be difficult if folk built up power bases that excluded other people - particularly in May when new folk will be arriving trixxiee Schomer: I think TheSchome Ranger: who may not be from NAGTY for example achilles Schomer: i agrre totally with ranger Liony Schomer: same TheSchome Ranger: and they need to feel part of the community too Decimus Schomer: Schome - where will they appear? XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: oh no! will you be able to stay on ?? Decimus Schomer: *sorry, where will they be from, I should've said TheSchome Ranger: Well it is not clear how the island will develop at the moment TheSchome Ranger: lots of options TheSchome Ranger: for example, we might at some point allow you folk to go out into the mainland of the teen grid Liony Schomer: :) baso Schomer: i hope :P Aston Schomer: yay! Decimus Schomer: Apparently, it's mad out there TheSchome Ranger: we might (almost certainly will) add new folk to the island - in the same way you were added trixxiee Schomer: to be honest, I don't really want to go onto the Main Teen Grid Mirage Schomer: hmmm...... XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: umm I've been put there before piolet, it is not that good :S TheSchome Ranger: we might let from from the mainland of the teen grid come in Mirage Schomer: i don't think i'll be allowed... XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: don't do it XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: seriously Aston Schomer: dont let people from the main grid come here! TheSchome Ranger: It is useful to have that feedback Liony Schomer: where else will we get new people from? Barbie Schomer: i wouldnt mind XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: we need at least one place where only w can access it baso Schomer: the NAGTy trixxiee Schomer: I like the fact that we are a community, and we all know most of the other people, and know what we can and can't do, which would be much harder if other people frm the main grid (not the others you are inviting on) came here TheSchome Ranger: and one of the things that the government (or whatever the mechanism for managing the island is called) might want to decide upon Decimus Schomer: Indeed - the TG will be populated mainly by an accurate representation of the teenage population, and from my experiance you wouldn't want to meet many of them! Aston Schomer: i agree XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: well as long as there is a place where only we can enter I could cope TheSchome Ranger: bearing in mind that this all fits within the overall schome project - which is about developing ideas for what the education system should be like - and is very much about being inclusive baso Schomer: i third that Mirage Schomer: i think this is getting a little bit heavy for the first meeting topper Schomer: socially it could be challenging with any one entering. I like knowing this is one place i am talking to simila folk and that make socialising much easier for me tham RL TheSchome Ranger: sorting out issues like this is heavy TheSchome Ranger: cos hard descions need to be made Mirage Schomer: getting ice cream brb Decimus Schomer: Have we decided on a governmental system yet? Because I appeared halfway through Liony Schomer: ok Liony Schomer: no :P XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: not yet Decimus Schomer: Okie dokie then trixxiee Schomer: we've decided to discuss it further in the forum, Deci TheSchome Ranger: they are real decisions - that impact on things like your future in Schome Park and our potential future funding (which in some sense means our jobs) Liony Schomer: :S TheSchome Ranger: So they are real decisions - XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: but will you be able to stay on if they open the island? topper Schomer: we need to have a meeting as we have been discussing this for ages TheSchome Ranger: but we are over time - and Trixx has suggested that we carry on in the forum - which sounds like a good plan cos that way everyone gets a chance to chip in Liony Schomer: :) Aston Schomer: so many things to decide!!! my brain hurts... Decimus Schomer: I have to go for food now; I'll be a while... trixxiee Schomer: I think we should call it a day here, 15 overrrun as it is, and everyone is tired Liony Schomer: but we need toask the mods if it could be moderated more XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: ok can we dance though? topper Schomer: yep trixxiee Schomer: *15mins TheSchome Ranger: What I wanted to say - and kind of side tracked from - was that even when we (staff) say stuff you should not give that undue weight trixxiee Schomer: yes, dancing is good ;) ?I can take pics of you achilles Schomer: can gov mods plz put up the department nmnations htreads plz no vote but nom TheSchome Ranger: I will try to ensure that we don't do the teacher thing and try to override your decisioins Liony Schomer: :P XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: lol XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: like 'it's very good, but....' trixxiee Schomer: I personally would like to wait a little bit longer before we nominate people to discuss more clearly what we are going to do topper Schomer: k can we call this meeting to a close XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: aye! Liony Schomer: ok trixxiee Schomer: is there anyhitng anyone would like to add? XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: lets dance! TheSchome Ranger: I'll shut up now TheSchome Ranger: though sometimes we may ask difficult questions and expect some good explanations/justifications ... XxDaisyLouxX Schomer: awwh TheSchome Ranger: blimey - that was hard - didn't say anything for almost a whole hour topper Schomer: meeting over i think Aston Schomer: lets boogie on down!!!! Liony Schomer: was that a hint by any chance, Ranger? :P trixxiee Schomer: ok, if no one has anything they want to say, I declare this meeting officially closed
