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: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Trixxiee Schomer April 18, 2007, 11:56:16 AM
Option One: Emailing nominations to a staff member/non-voter who then will post them on the wiki.
This involves the technical support staff setting up an email address that will be directed either to a staff or a non-voting SParker, and we email our nominations for the government to this address, and the reciever posts them onto a page in the wiki.

Option Two: A scripted object in SL that will store votes and who has voted
This would involve someone scripting an object that would store who has voted, and will count votes for a specific person. Would be non-tamperable, but someone would need to script it.

Option Three: Open nominations on the forum then ballots in a poll
This involves having a topic in the private area where everyone can post nominations for the various areas of the government, and if they have at least 2 nominations (by diffferent people), they would be put forward for a ballot done by polls, so there would be a poll for the 'building/planning dept', and all the people who had been nominated for that would be on a poll, with the top 4 or so being in the dept after a set period of voting.


What we need to decide now, apart from how to do it, are all the technicalities: are we going to be able to nominate one person for each department, more than one person for each department, one vote in total, will it be the top however many going through?

Trix
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Achilles Schomer April 18, 2007, 01:25:27 PM
heres an idea for having an even amount of people in government departments ...

the top 4 in the vote go into that department with the leader of that department being the head of <insert name>
when coming to a decison, they vote, in the event of a 2-2 tie, the leader has the casting vote

or obviously do odd number, leader is the one with highest votes but they have the role of spokesperson but nothing else

: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Trixxiee Schomer April 25, 2007, 05:34:12 PM
-bump-

I'd just like to draw everyone's attention back to this post. I feel at a bit of a standstill regarding governance at the moment, mainly due to having conflicting views that people (in general) don't seem to be able to compromise on. I need everyone's input to be able to move this forward again - I have said this several times, but I am not doing this on my own.

Trix
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Decimus Schomer April 25, 2007, 05:39:55 PM
I need everyone's input to be able to move this forward again - I have said this several times, but I am not doing this on my own.
Is it me or do the polls on this forum keep you anonymous?
Anyway, is there any reason we need a democratic system and not another where there're no leaders or anything, just people working together on stuff? Hmm?
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Kali Schomer April 25, 2007, 05:42:15 PM
I would be willing to help you if you want Trix, if you are having problems.
But some sort of leadership/government in SL would be good, you know, to decide what can be built, and to sort disputes etc
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Marsbar9 Schomer April 25, 2007, 06:38:32 PM
Ye, coz at the end of the day - we do need someone to put their foot down don't we
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Kali Schomer April 25, 2007, 06:39:40 PM
we do need someone to put their foot down don't we
lol
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Dan April 25, 2007, 06:44:26 PM
So is someone going to build a giant automated foot!  >:D
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Trixxiee Schomer April 25, 2007, 06:50:10 PM
Is it me or do the polls on this forum keep you anonymous?
Anyway, is there any reason we need a democratic system and not another where there're no leaders or anything, just people working together on stuff? Hmm?
Yes, as far as I can tell, you are anonymous on polls.

The democratic system isn't necessarily the best, but it seems to be the fairest, the one people are most familiar with and therefore most willing to give it a go. We're trying to steer away from having leaders per se, but I'm open to any suggestions on how to sort everything out ;).

I would be willing to help you if you want Trix, if you are having problems.
But some sort of leadership/government in SL would be good, you know, to decide what can be built, and to sort disputes etc
Thanks, Kali. I just feel like I'm doing everything sometimes, which isn't how it should be, for more reasons than one. I agree that we do need some system of deciding things, but as Deci said, it doesn't necessarily have to be a democratic approach.

So is someone going to build a giant automated foot!
lol. There's a project for ya ;).

Trix
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Kali Schomer April 25, 2007, 06:54:07 PM
I just feel like I'm doing everything sometimes
you shouldnt have to do it alone
i think that maybe if we had some people (4 or 5 etc) on a kinda board to decide building, another to settle disputes etc
that might work
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Marsbar9 Schomer April 25, 2007, 06:54:35 PM
HA!!!!!

***Sits and chortles after trix gives the command to Dan to start building a foot!  lol 8) >:D
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Marsbar9 Schomer April 25, 2007, 06:54:52 PM
I'd like to do building!
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Kali Schomer April 25, 2007, 06:56:23 PM
I'd like to do building!
Hmmm, we could have 'government offices' where people come to see the boards or whatever
what do you think?  :)
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Achilles Schomer April 25, 2007, 07:26:35 PM
i'm going for planning permission!
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Wheelo Schomer April 25, 2007, 07:57:33 PM
A couple of my views:

A poll on the forums seems like the best way to go about it.
I think anyone should be allowed to go up for nomination, then the top 3 are elected as leaders (3 in each department, to allow voting within the department if opinions differ).

I also think we should make a 'manifestos' page on the wiki, where people can state their policies for the department they are running for and why we should choose them.  It would give us a better idea of who to vote for.

Oh, also people can be a leader in no more than 2 departments.

Discuss!
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Topper Schomer April 27, 2007, 12:58:43 PM
I agree with wheelo But people can only be n 1 department and the open parliment no more( unless this 2nd dept is a sub dept0

Topper
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Wheelo Schomer April 27, 2007, 02:38:19 PM
I agree with wheelo But people can only be n 1 department and the open parliment no more( unless this 2nd dept is a sub dept0

I'm just thinking that if we have 3 leaders for each department, and several departments, we might run out of people who are willing to be leaders.  It depends how many people put themselves up for nomination.
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Kali Schomer April 27, 2007, 05:29:06 PM
3 leaders for one department is too many people
a department of 3 or 4 people, with one of them being the leader and co-ordinator etc, will be better
once we have a list of all the departments needed, people can volunteer to be in that department and the members themselves could decide who is the leader
i think it would also be good if the leaders of each department met every week or every 2 weeks to update each other in a sort of parliament
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Trixxiee Schomer April 27, 2007, 06:17:40 PM
Okay, due to a majority vote on the poll, people for the government are going to be nominated through a topic on the forum (which I will post up soon).

I think that the general consensus seems to be that we will volunteer ourselves for departments, and then there will be polls (or some other sort of voting easy to manage), with the top three or four people being leaders of the department (note: leader only means that they co-ordinate things and help to keep control, they have no extra powers). These 'leaders' will meet in a general open parliament (okay, so anyone can go really) where there will be a 'chair' (like a PM, but with no extra powers to everyone else) to run these.

Agreed? (and please don't start saying how democracy isn't the best way to go, etc.)

Trix
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Kali Schomer April 27, 2007, 06:28:46 PM
I agree Trix
We need a list of departments though
Maybe the 1st department we set up should be for planning permission for building cos of the lack of space we have left
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Trixxiee Schomer April 27, 2007, 06:40:54 PM
Departments:
Those were the ones we decided at the first meeting we had. Planning is obviously very important at the moment, but do we need all of them? We also have to remember about an overall 'leader', and if there are any other departments we need.

Trix
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Kali Schomer April 27, 2007, 06:43:15 PM
I think that all those departments will do for now.
But what if we had an overview department that the members of co-ordinate the other departments and arrange all the common meeting etc.
 ???
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Trixxiee Schomer April 27, 2007, 06:46:51 PM
I like that idea - it would save having a 'leader' as such, because the people from this group could either nominate one person to chair the general meetings, or take it in turns. Just need a name for it lol.

Trix
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Kali Schomer April 27, 2007, 06:49:14 PM
Hmmm....
How about something along the lines of Government co-ordination department?
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Trixxiee Schomer April 27, 2007, 06:53:44 PM
Sounds good.

Any opinions from other people?

Trix
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Wheelo Schomer April 27, 2007, 07:43:51 PM
How about something along the lines of Government co-ordination department?
S'ok, a bit ordinary though...how about the Monster Raving Loony Department?
 lol
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Trixxiee Schomer April 27, 2007, 07:46:14 PM
"Loony" is more appropriate for some of us, I would think. ;). It's certainly a less boring suggestion :P

Trix
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Explo Schomer April 30, 2007, 03:28:57 PM
In addition to the proposed departments, I'd have one for events or meetings, so we can make sure that not too many meetings are running at once, as well as perhaps having a sub commitee for planning group experiments or projects. Of course, we could just continue using these forums and alerting people if their planned meetings overlap.

I'm also not sure about having a single leader. Not only will that become increasingly competitive but it reduces mobility if that person is not online. Centralised government takes longer to react as the orders have to go all the way through the chain of command and it would be best if each department could manage itself-the government coordination department sounds like a good idea for aiding this.
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Baso Schomer May 01, 2007, 11:58:26 AM
A couple of my views:

A poll on the forums seems like the best way to go about it.
I think anyone should be allowed to go up for nomination, then the top 3 are elected as leaders (3 in each department, to allow voting within the department if opinions differ).
Why not three leaders? One Chair, One Secretary and One Vice?
I also think we should make a 'manifestos' page on the wiki, where people can state their policies for the department they are running for and why we should choose them.  It would give us a better idea of who to vote for.
Would everyone be honest and not edit them though?

Oh, also people can be a leader in no more than 2 departments.[/quote] 1 Department...too much power and ppl become tyrant
Discuss!
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Rufus Schomer May 01, 2007, 08:41:54 PM
You can view page history and see who has edited it and what they've done so it would be noticed if someone did this, and it would be a breach of the AUP to chamge it to what you wanted it to say rather than what it should say.
"8. Don't disturb the peace...This includes deliberately messing up information within the wiki."
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Baso Schomer May 02, 2007, 06:01:50 AM
I just feel like I'm doing everything sometimes
you shouldnt have to do it alone
i think that maybe if we had some people (4 or 5 etc) on a kinda board to decide building, another to settle disputes etc
that might work

Well....see thing is...you dont have to do it on ur own....ive often told ya ill help out with meetings and you dont respond or watsoever...so....sometme ppl choose to do it on their own.
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: The Professor May 16, 2007, 04:14:02 PM
I say that each department has a co-ordinator (as opposed to a leader which sort of implies supremacy over the other members of the group).

Then we have three overall governmental co-ordinators who don't so much run the place as keep it going smoothly. SP doesn't need a Prime Minister, but it needs a functioning council. Everyone from all the departments can attend governmental meetings, or just send an emissary along to say what the department as a whole thinks.
: Re: How to Nominate/Vote for the Government
: Topper Schomer November 15, 2007, 05:22:51 PM
Is this topic still required or shoud it be archived??

Topper