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Schome => Schome discussions => : Amba SParker May 08, 2009, 02:40:44 PM

: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Amba SParker May 08, 2009, 02:40:44 PM
Hello Schome People!

I’m wondering whether you can help with a bit of research?

We’re thinking about help and support in the Schome Park Environment (ie. Schome Park + the forum and wiki). I’m particularly interested in technical skills such as doing and making things in-world, wiki editing, image editing an so on, but happy for you to tell me about anything you like.

Who did you look to for support? Did you support anyone yourself? Did this change over time during your involvement with Schome? Can you point me to any examples on the forum or in chat logs?

There is a bit of a tight deadline for this which is ... erm... today (or maybe tomorrow morning), but of course this is fun to think about regardless of my deadlines and may contribute to future papers so feel free to keep adding stuff as you think of it.

(For example, I remember Animus (or was it Faz?  ;)) showing me how to make doors and windows, and I remember making spirals with Spiral (who else!)  :lol:)
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Rowan May 08, 2009, 03:30:20 PM
Hello Amba
I would say that in general I found it such a supportive environment.  :) I often needed help and it would be more difficult to think of anyone who didn't support me in some way, at some time rather than who did.  The ethos was very supportive and even if someone didn't know the answer to the question you were asking they would often point you in a helpful suggestion. 
I think that was especially true inworld and in the forum.  In the forum though I think I should especially put a shout out for 'Fox' who was always on the alert!
good luck with your work and everything
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Amba SParker May 08, 2009, 04:51:34 PM
Hi Rowan!

Thanks for the reply. I think it is significant that in the Schome Park Environment, adults and teens could go in as 'learners' (regardless of age and off-schome status) and seek support from anyone who was listening. I think that aspect worked very well.

I'm really looking for about 4 quotes (from either the forum or old chatlogs), for specific examples of how support was given. I'm wondering whether the teens in particular became more confident about providing support for others as the SPP progressed.

(My feeling from my memories of time spent in the SPE is that they did, I've just been wading through chatlogs for specific examples and was wondering whether I could speed up the process by posting here!  ;)).

In-world chat-log snippets would be particularly useful as would pointers such as approximate date, subject matter and so forth.

I have a list of occassions in my head, such as the time we had an impromptu vehicle building class just because one of the learners was interested, another knew what needed to be done, and the rest of us decided it looked interesting enough to hang around and join in to learn + contribute!  :). That was around the end of Phase 2, in the SPA sandbox. Just wondered whether anyone else had any pointers too.

Thanks again,
Amba
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Marsbar9 Schomer May 08, 2009, 06:39:59 PM
Helloooo.... first post in AGES!!!

I found help in the very first few weeks from the staff, like Mark, Fox, Siobhan and Peter (to name just a few). I was completely new to the environment and didn't have a clue what I was doing.
I also remember that in the first few weeks, when Baso set up the very first SkyBase, he took me to some orange and purple squared building up at 5000m or so and we chatted for a while getting to know each other. I then went for tea or something and came back to find Baso wasn't there. Being completely new I was scared to leave the building because 1) I didn't have a clue where I was and 2) I was scared that if I feel into the greyness that was the sky then I'd lose my avatar :P
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Amba SParker May 08, 2009, 08:13:29 PM
Thanks Mars - great to hear from you!!  :) 8)

That is a useful example. By the time I first accessed Schome Park in (September 2007, less than 3 months after the start of Phase 2), you had already built up considerable expertise and were confidently supporting and advising newcomers.

Haven't seen Baso here for a while either. Do you know whether Baso knew more than the others at the beginning? I wonder whether he had spent more time in SP or whether he already knew about virtual worlds from elsewhere...

I missed Phase 1, so difficult for me to picture how things were then. It seems that it did not take any of you more than a few weeks to master the basics and then you branched out to develop your own areas of interest.
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Topper Schomer May 09, 2009, 04:33:06 PM
If i remember correctly Baso had had some experience on the main grid before joining schome...

Topper
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: An¡mus May 09, 2009, 06:13:06 PM
I think he said he had or was part of a company on it..?
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Amba SParker May 10, 2009, 05:00:34 AM
Thanks Topper and Animus.

My feeling is that our ‘roles’ were blurred in the Schome Park Environment. No one was a just a “teacher” or a just a “student” in the SPE. We had lots of participants with different levels of expertise in different things. All were free to “teach” or “learn” (or simply “hang out”) as they felt appropriate. (By “Teaching” here I mean the sharing of expert knowledge with others combined with providing some “support for learning”).

I'm focussing on technical skills (in-world, wiki-editing, digital media processing and so on) and looking for examples which show participants behaving as ‘non-experts’, ‘learners’, ‘experts’, ‘learning facilitators’ and so on. I'm looking for specific examples of participants being all those things at different times (and / or in different contexts). I'd also be interested to hear of any examples to the contrary.

I have some quotes already and my deadline is long gone*, but I am interested in all this, so keep the examples flowing in, if you can! Who knows, we may make a wiki page for them one day!

Thanks again,
Amba  :)

*  "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." – Douglas Adams
http://www.quotes-museum.com/quote/344
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Decimus Schomer May 10, 2009, 08:42:32 PM
My feeling is that our ‘roles’ were blurred in the Schome Park Environment. No one was a just a “teacher” or a just a “student” in the SPE. We had lots of participants with different levels of expertise in different things. All were free to “teach” or “learn” (or simply “hang out”) as they felt appropriate.
IIRC, that was the point of Schome in the first place, so yay, it worked :P

"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." – Douglas Adams
I like that one.
I personally don't have that problem - I have the problem that I do essays/short stories/etc. at around 8pm the day before it's due in, because I can't be bothered... Fun times!
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Amba SParker May 10, 2009, 08:52:16 PM
Hello Decimus!
IIRC, that was the point of Schome in the first place, so yay, it worked :P

LOL!! Made me laugh so much that had to log in and say thank you!  :lol: :lol:

(Not all plans work. I think it's worth recognising and celebrating the ones that do!  ;) :-)

I personally don't have that problem - I have the problem that I do essays/short stories/etc. at around 8pm the day before it's due in, because I can't be bothered... Fun times!
:)
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: An¡mus May 10, 2009, 09:33:56 PM
IIRC stands for..?  ???
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Fox Phlox May 11, 2009, 07:22:03 AM
Either
'If I recall correctly'
or
'Interactive Illinois Report Card'
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Miss. Vibia May 12, 2009, 08:09:53 PM
I remember Skybase. I found that really helpful. I had no idea as to how to do anything and I was talked through it by Baso and I think Mars talked me through some stuff too, it took me quite a while to get the hang of it all. I was quicker at learning on the clothes though, I kinda taught myself on that one.  ;)
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Amba SParker May 13, 2009, 07:23:16 AM
I was quicker at learning on the clothes though, I kinda taught myself on that one.  ;)

... and went on to share your expertise with others, of course!  8) :) (I remember being a weird shade of blue with freckles at our 'funny skins and hair' evening ... though I don't think we called it that).

Phase 1 Skybase sounds fun. Was it rebuilt in Phase 2? I remember visiting places in the sky ... never thought to ask what they were called, but they were clearly centres of great activity!

(Good to hear from you Vibia)
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Fox Phlox May 13, 2009, 08:45:16 AM
http://www.schome.ac.uk/wiki/SkyBase%40250
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Miss. Vibia May 13, 2009, 12:09:52 PM
Ah, yes. I remember showing people how to do the freckles.  :)

(Good to hear from you Vibia)
Havent had all that much time to come on recently. Exams.  :( 1 down, 7 to go.  ::)
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Amba SParker May 14, 2009, 06:26:13 PM
Havent had all that much time to come on recently. Exams.  :( 1 down, 7 to go.  ::)

Good luck with the exams, Vibia. :)
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Topper Schomer May 14, 2009, 08:29:13 PM
Sky base never reopened Amba. I think i am responasble for that with my anti big build rants...

Topper
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Amba SParker May 15, 2009, 07:25:08 AM
Aw, thanks for posting Topper - it was just an innocent question as I wasn't around much for most of the skybase related activities. I expect you all decided what was best as a group rather than individually.

A quick search for skybase on the forum just now showed up a lot of postings! I used to follow the building discussions avidly once I had joined the project because I was very interested in how you took decisions collectively. I'm sure you would have had a lot of in-world discussions about it as well which I would have missed. There's clearly a whole, very interesting research topic there in its own right.
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Miss. Vibia May 17, 2009, 01:18:48 PM
I remember the argument about the big builds. It was a hard one. Sky base was very useful when I first started but then once we had all become accustomed to how everything worked it wasnt needed as much anymore, although it was quite a nice place to meet up with people in.
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Decimus Schomer May 17, 2009, 09:21:51 PM
Yeah, I remember the argument about the huge buildings. I distinctly remember the main problem being the fact that they tended to eat about half the object allowance for the land... *glares at LL* :P
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Miss. Vibia May 20, 2009, 05:50:00 PM
Ah, yes. It wasnt the space as they were in the sky, its just that there was little allowance left for us little people to practice with.  ;)

We did have some good times didn't we??  :lol:
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Baso Schomer May 20, 2009, 11:37:31 PM
We did have some good times didn't we??  :lol:
We did, yes :D
I remember the wedding and staff "thanks" party we held at skybase II....that was both fun and interesting..lots of tubes all over to get to different places...and the quite obvious competition that Mars and Skybase seemed to have with ideas from both myself and mars being simular but wanting to do them as part of our own building..hehe..in reflection seemed so stupid.

I remeber that i was going to reform skybase for the "newer" stage..however make it much smaller, infact if memory serves...PeterT did ask me to do it as part of the orientation thing..but as soon as he deeded the land..half of woops and elsa's objects got returned (over the prim allowance thing)

Ah, yes. It wasnt the space as they were in the sky, its just that there was little allowance left for us little people to practice with.  ;)
Well, when you have two skybases plus machinima sets..plus race tracks..plus the hude AI thing...it all adds up!

In hinesight (spelt that right?) the skybase II did eat up about a thousand..maybe two thousand prims...Skybase one was slightly less before the additions of SkyLounge and SkyAppartments that i had little control over. 
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Kali Schomer May 21, 2009, 09:10:09 AM
We did have some good times didn't we??  :lol:

I would say that everyone (well most people) had a lot of fun. I know that i certainly did. All the sessions that were run and all the random stuff we did, like the space experiment, the builds, the popgun wars etc etc.
All was all great fun :)
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: PeterT May 22, 2009, 05:24:00 AM
We did have some good times didn't we??  :lol:

I would say that everyone (well most people) had a lot of fun. I know that i certainly did. All the sessions that were run and all the random stuff we did, like the space experiment, the builds, the popgun wars etc etc.
All was all great fun :)

Yup - I have particularly fond memories of Phase 1 (which let's face it was the time when I was most active in Schome Park) - like the time I was trying to sort out the griefer attack and ended up deleting most of the SchoOp by mistake (sorry Woop)  :-[

Trixxiee publishing pictures (with amusing captions) which showed our talent for dancing (http://www.schome.ac.uk/wiki/SL_dancing).

And Wintermute - being Wintermute - what more need I say?!  :lol:
Wonder what he is calling himself these days ...  ;)

PeterT
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Amba SParker May 22, 2009, 05:43:10 AM
I’d like to thank everyone who has posted in this thread. This is exactly what I was looking for and also exactly what I was hoping we would be able to capture and share with others at the JISC RSC Eastern event on the 31st March.

There was something unique about some of the young learners’ interactions and originality of approach. You were keenly aware of difficulties and came up with ways of dealing with them.

Thanks for posting PeterT. It is a shame that you were really mainly only active in Phase 1. I will always feel that I was never able to see Schome Park at its best, but happily some of the sense of adventure  did spill over into Phases 2 and 3 and of course there were a few new people which added to the interest.

I am intending to capture some of the happiness and the way in which you worked with each other at some stage. It is obviously too late for the 31st March event and for the thing I was working on a couple of weeks ago, but not too late in general!

It must feel strange to think about things which happened over two years ago (especially for those for whom 2 years represents a significant percentage of their age!  :lol:) but these considered reflections are valuable. Keep ‘em coming!
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Amba SParker May 22, 2009, 05:50:16 AM

Yup - I have particularly fond memories of Phase 1 (which let's face it was the time when I was most active in Schome Park) - like the time I was trying to sort out the griefer attack and ended up deleting most of the SchoOp by mistake (sorry Woop)  :-[

PeterT

By the way, this has always confused me. I have heard the story told at many conferences and events and always wondered, why didn't you simply return by owner?  ???
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Baso Schomer May 22, 2009, 06:07:42 AM
It is most likely that we didnt do that...because we didnt know how..or didnt think of it as a possibility, we just dealt with it as it happened. Was definatly a learning experience.
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Fox Phlox May 22, 2009, 07:36:26 AM
I think when Peter says 'deleted' he means 'returned to owner'. We didn't lose the Scho-op for long.

And it's fairly easy to do when you're Developer Schomer - mis-click and you've removed something significant. I'm sure we drove Woop to distraction by doing it. I once spent an hour or so clearing boats and motorbikes from unlikely places - and accidentally removed a large segment of Schome Beta's roof.  :(

Mark you, it did make it a lot easier to get in for a while  :P
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: KitKatKid Schomer May 22, 2009, 04:45:49 PM
Mark you, it did make it a lot easier to get in for a while  :P

Definitely!
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: An¡mus May 22, 2009, 08:10:48 PM
And Wintermute - being Wintermute - what more need I say?!  :lol:
Wonder what he is calling himself these days ...  ;)

PeterT
EbonyWintermute aparently lol
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Marsbar9 Schomer May 24, 2009, 01:37:42 PM
Some of the arguments we had over buildings... <shakes head> :P
Like Baso said, looking back on them it all seems so stupid - but back then it seemed very serious  :lol:

: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Marsbar9 Schomer May 24, 2009, 01:42:25 PM
And Wintermute - being Wintermute - what more need I say?!  :lol:
Wonder what he is calling himself these days ...  ;)

PeterT
EbonyWintermute aparently lol

Talking of Wintermute/Hapno/Doctor - has anyone heard from him since he moved onto doing Cognitex Labs? A quick google search for Cognitex Labs only turned up mentions of it in the forum...
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: An¡mus May 25, 2009, 04:10:52 PM
Yeah breifly. He said he was making a super computer that would be done in 6 years :S
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Baso Schomer May 25, 2009, 10:45:46 PM
Was very...interesting individual in my opinion. Seemed to like his..AI..and wanted to convince us into believing that he was the best of us at it..which he probably was but..well..you can never take somethings too far :P
: Re: Supporting each other in the Schome Park Environment
: Amba SParker June 20, 2009, 11:03:24 AM
Thanks for all your help with this people. Some of the earlier replies made it into the book chapter I am doing with PeterT, but sadly not all.

The chapter is a slightly longer version of the ReLIVE08 paper. Seems like an age ago but that conference was a happy little time for Schome, with all staff working together, briefly.

Hope the chapter will be just as good, but it has come back from the peer review process needing a few "minor revisions"  :lol: More weekends spent on Schome...  :)