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==16 Nov 2009 This is a wiki about Schome Research==
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Amba, this wiki is far from perfect, but I believe it should give visitors an overview of and insights into Schome research.
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This is a closed / dormant project. It is important that visitors find information relating to Schome research quickly and easily.
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Please do not treat it as an intermittent 'blogging' area for anything which happens to interest you. The Schome blog would be a more appropriate place to do that.
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With thanks for your understanding.
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Alan.
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Hello Alan, nice to meet you. What is your role in Schome? I have been with this project since July 2007 and have seen little or no evidence of this being a "collaboratively authored" wiki. It has been the preserve of "the few" who add to it as they please. Hardly anyone has ever touched anything written by anyone else, probably through politeness, let alone deleted it! Those that throw the most at it tend to end up having a disproportionate influence over the way it is. (Not all schome participants were wiki-wise, by any means!)
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The feeling seems to have been “If it violates the AUP, delete it, otherwise let it sit there, however innappropriate, because this is “collaboratively authored”. We can all see that that has not worked. I have never seen any good practice guidelines for effective use, any protocols or anything that tells us how we should use it to support our learning and work. Some groups had developed certain systems, but they were not universally adopted. It wouldn’t surprise me if all if each of us had a different view of how this wiki should should be added to and managed.
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I am very glad that you have a vision for the way this wiki should work and have the time and authority to deal with it.
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The JISC conference already has over 400 delegates and does not need to be ‘promoted’ – I just thought that those who read this wiki would find it useful to hear from current leaders in the field and visit places of pedagogic interest. However, I agree that this is a closed project and the only information this wiki should contain should be directly Schome related.
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It should definitely not be some sort of limping blog! LOL!
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[[User:Amba|Amba]]
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==22-Oct-08 I thought and think wikis are collaboratively authored.==
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So it reads really odd to use the first person pronoun ie 'my thanks....' it makes it look as if the wiki belongs to and is authored by one person (ie Peter T) sorry I cannot work out how to put this below the contents--[[User:Julia G|Julia G]] 14:28, 22 October 2008 (BST)
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:''Good point - sorted [[User:PeterT|PeterT]] 06:47, 24 October 2008 (BST)
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::''Actually I've been thinking about this - and I'm very torn about it. Yes a wiki should be a collaborative space rather than belonging to one person - but it is also important that it is personal (not just some unembodied conglomeration of contributors) - I (as the initiator of the Schome Initiative and Director of the Schome Park Programme do want to acknowledge the role that staff have played personally - but I'm not trying to own the space or prevent other people from contributing to it (the exact opposite in fact). So I've re-sorted it! ??? [[User:PeterT|PeterT]] 15:16, 24 October 2008 (BST)
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:::''I think you have [[User:Amba|Amba]] 15:32, 24 October 2008 (BST)
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That was October 2008. You blew it again later on by taking out an important acknowledgement regarding my considerable contribution which incidentally was made totally in my own time and was totally unrelated to my work. Not even a thank you! Sigh.
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I will re-iterate that a wiki is a "technology". Whether or not pages within the wiki are "collaboratively authored" depends on how the project using them is run!
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I am very glad that Alan will be sorting all this out for the future. Good luck Alan!
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I moved Ollie's provocation from here to [[User:Ollie|his user page]]. Please [[User:Ollie|have a look at it]] and give him some feedback (either by editing [[User:Ollie|Ollie's provocation]] or leaving comments on [[Talk:Ollie|his discussion panel]].
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I hadn't come across Marc Prensky or the Twitchspeed generation - interesting notion - though perhaps one of the things we need to be trying to do is helping learners to concentrate and stay focussed for increasing periods of time - and the phrase twitchspeed suggests hoping from thing to thing which might not fit well with intense concentration - but then again maybe I am just an old fuddy duddy - I have no problem with the notion of multitasking (reading and watching tv at the same time - which for me means focussing on the book until something interesting happens on the TV and then I focus on that for a bit, then back to the book - I can follow most soaps/dramas in this fashion and still take in what I am reading - so long as it is not too heavy/academic - cos I then need to give it my full attention). So - to what extent is twitchspeed about capacity to deal with multiple channels of input (which might link with notions of multimodality) and to what extent is it about the concentration span (which might be associated with inability to concentrate!)?  
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I hadn't come across Marc Prensky or the Twitchspeed generation - interesting notion - though perhaps one of the things we need to be trying to do is helping learners to concentrate and stay focussed for increasing periods of time - and the phrase twitchspeed suggests hopping from thing to thing which might not fit well with intense concentration - but then again maybe I am just an old fuddy duddy - I have no problem with the notion of multitasking (reading and watching tv at the same time - which for me means focussing on the book until something interesting happens on the TV and then I focus on that for a bit, then back to the book - I can follow most soaps/dramas in this fashion and still take in what I am reading - so long as it is not too heavy/academic - cos I then need to give it my full attention). So - to what extent is twitchspeed about capacity to deal with multiple channels of input (which might link with notions of multimodality) and to what extent is it about the concentration span (which might be associated with inability to concentrate!)?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
== My Provocation-By Ollie ==
 
 
 
== My Provocation- By Ollie ==
 
 
 
 
 
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My Idea
 
        I thouught long and hard about my schome provocation, and here it is:
 
  I believe that children should attend pre-school nuresry, and the like( like 2day) before they go to school. My reason for this is that going to these places teach children how to speak, communicate and basic socialising skills, as well as educatingh them. I dont think that you can do this in any other way. NO COMPUTERS INVOLVED. If you to introduce children of 2 and 3 years old to a computer they may become totally addicted or turn themself away from them for life!But in this time they should be educated in a number of different ways, through music, throughreading ect... To get a rough idea of what the children like and dislike.
 
      On to Primary School, i think that this one is particularly interesting. I believe that at some point in their Primary educucation they need to be introducued to the computer world, but when? The easiest solution would be to introduce them when their teachers feel that they are ready, but this would be impractical. Students that are not deemed 'ready' would loose confidence. So this would not work. The most logical way would be to slowly ease the pupils into more technical ways of learning. For example, when the children are in year 2 they would start to play educational games on the computer and occasionally type up their work so that they can get used to it. Then in Year 3 their computer work will become more advanced and so on. But if a specific child is reluctant to work on the computers they will not be forced. But they would have to do aa small amount as it would help them in later life. On the other end of the scale, if a child wants to go on the computer more then they should be allowed to an extent, but not so far that they become hooked. By year 6 they should be able to use a computer fairly well, and also no when they are becoming obsessed. I would also slowly introduce them to the latest technology, such as an mp4 player at around this age.
 
The actual learning that takes place at about this age is also important, although in some ways it will be experimentational. Through different forms of teaching. Pupils will be invited to give their preferances but encouraged to keep learning in all the different forms so that by the time that you leave Primary School the child will have a firm favourite that they would be comftable learning with mainly for the rest of their school life.
 
  Another things i would have liked at Priimary School would have been lots more days out( school trips). My reason for this is simple, youd learn more from an interesting day to a specific museum than you would studying from a book or watching a powerpoint(or the equivilant) on that topic. This is yet another style of learning.
 
  One of my first ideas was that pupils could go to their parents work places ocasionally to learn experience hands-on. But this would definately not work, if some peoples parents had low level jobs, or none at all they would feel low. So instead of this i would have them go to places around the area for days trips, where no childs parents woek, because that may lead to bullying.
 
          By this time in the young peoples life they should bee confident in socialising and being independant, to an extent. And they should also no their most effective way of learning. To begin with all pupils will atent their new Secondary 'Complex' and be taught. They will be able to choose beetween lots of different types of learning for all of their subjects and for a short time be taught in the school. After a term or so, pupils may be allowed to work independantly from home, if their teachers think that they heav earned the right and will be able to cope. They will be tested daily, and if the marks drop then they will be brought back to school to learn their again.
 
I would scrap detentions because i dont think that they have any effect, if the studnets misbehave then they will be forced to study out of textbooks, theyll soon behave.
 
    As far as exms are concerned i would not have couresworks merealy exams every month through the whol of years 10 and 11, all worth equal marks. Through years 7 to 9 i would have school set exams, SCRAP SATS. But i would definately keep school trips, and make sure that pupils went on at least one, preferably 2 each month, to imprive their first hand knowledge.
 
  As for the school grounds themselves, i think that pupils should choose were they would like to be taught. Modern buildings that are easy to work in will be constructed but pupils may request that they may, for example, want to work outside. The possibilities are endless.
 
 
 
    Please give your comments and ideas
 
    Thanks
 
    More to come one day...
 

Latest revision as of 12:45, 17 November 2009

We now have a threaded discussion board linked with WikiWorks - check it out at http://ud3e.open.ac.uk/list.php?f=1065&collapse=0


16 Nov 2009 This is a wiki about Schome Research

Amba, this wiki is far from perfect, but I believe it should give visitors an overview of and insights into Schome research.

This is a closed / dormant project. It is important that visitors find information relating to Schome research quickly and easily.

Please do not treat it as an intermittent 'blogging' area for anything which happens to interest you. The Schome blog would be a more appropriate place to do that.

With thanks for your understanding.

Alan.


Hello Alan, nice to meet you. What is your role in Schome? I have been with this project since July 2007 and have seen little or no evidence of this being a "collaboratively authored" wiki. It has been the preserve of "the few" who add to it as they please. Hardly anyone has ever touched anything written by anyone else, probably through politeness, let alone deleted it! Those that throw the most at it tend to end up having a disproportionate influence over the way it is. (Not all schome participants were wiki-wise, by any means!)

The feeling seems to have been “If it violates the AUP, delete it, otherwise let it sit there, however innappropriate, because this is “collaboratively authored”. We can all see that that has not worked. I have never seen any good practice guidelines for effective use, any protocols or anything that tells us how we should use it to support our learning and work. Some groups had developed certain systems, but they were not universally adopted. It wouldn’t surprise me if all if each of us had a different view of how this wiki should should be added to and managed. I am very glad that you have a vision for the way this wiki should work and have the time and authority to deal with it. The JISC conference already has over 400 delegates and does not need to be ‘promoted’ – I just thought that those who read this wiki would find it useful to hear from current leaders in the field and visit places of pedagogic interest. However, I agree that this is a closed project and the only information this wiki should contain should be directly Schome related. It should definitely not be some sort of limping blog! LOL!

Amba

22-Oct-08 I thought and think wikis are collaboratively authored.

So it reads really odd to use the first person pronoun ie 'my thanks....' it makes it look as if the wiki belongs to and is authored by one person (ie Peter T) sorry I cannot work out how to put this below the contents--Julia G 14:28, 22 October 2008 (BST)

Good point - sorted PeterT 06:47, 24 October 2008 (BST)
Actually I've been thinking about this - and I'm very torn about it. Yes a wiki should be a collaborative space rather than belonging to one person - but it is also important that it is personal (not just some unembodied conglomeration of contributors) - I (as the initiator of the Schome Initiative and Director of the Schome Park Programme do want to acknowledge the role that staff have played personally - but I'm not trying to own the space or prevent other people from contributing to it (the exact opposite in fact). So I've re-sorted it! ??? PeterT 15:16, 24 October 2008 (BST)
I think you have Amba 15:32, 24 October 2008 (BST)


That was October 2008. You blew it again later on by taking out an important acknowledgement regarding my considerable contribution which incidentally was made totally in my own time and was totally unrelated to my work. Not even a thank you! Sigh.

I will re-iterate that a wiki is a "technology". Whether or not pages within the wiki are "collaboratively authored" depends on how the project using them is run!

I am very glad that Alan will be sorting all this out for the future. Good luck Alan!

Amba

13-Jun-06 6:17 BST - Moved Ollie's provocation - PeterT

I moved Ollie's provocation from here to his user page. Please have a look at it and give him some feedback (either by editing Ollie's provocation or leaving comments on his discussion panel.

1-Apr-06 15:26 BST - Leaving comments - PeterT

Just showing that you can leave a comment!

Use headings to show threading:

  • a new topic should have a heading with two equals signs (like this one has)
  • a response to a new topic should have a heading with three equal signs (like the Re: Twitchspeed Generation below)
  • a response to a response to a new topic should have a heading with four equal signs ...

27-Jul-05 11:39 BST - Twitchspeed Generation - Wellfan

This is my first post here - please be gentle with me! Re: the strapline, I am VERY fond (please don't all shout me down at once!) of the Marc Prensky phrase'Twitchspeed Generation'. When I have spoken at conferences, and quoted him, it is the single time when pens furiously scribble down what I've just said! As a teacher and parent of 2 young kids I can totally identify with him when he says we feed children a diet of 100 mile an hour information on tv, computers and games, yet when they enter a classroom (but not MINE, I hasten to add) we give them the equivalent of depressants. So I like 'Twitchspeed generation' as it does not specify INFORMATION/TECHNOLOGY/DIGITAL etc. as being the important part of the concept.

27-Jul-05 17:57 BST - Re: Twitchspeed Generation - PeterT

I hadn't come across Marc Prensky or the Twitchspeed generation - interesting notion - though perhaps one of the things we need to be trying to do is helping learners to concentrate and stay focussed for increasing periods of time - and the phrase twitchspeed suggests hopping from thing to thing which might not fit well with intense concentration - but then again maybe I am just an old fuddy duddy - I have no problem with the notion of multitasking (reading and watching tv at the same time - which for me means focussing on the book until something interesting happens on the TV and then I focus on that for a bit, then back to the book - I can follow most soaps/dramas in this fashion and still take in what I am reading - so long as it is not too heavy/academic - cos I then need to give it my full attention). So - to what extent is twitchspeed about capacity to deal with multiple channels of input (which might link with notions of multimodality) and to what extent is it about the concentration span (which might be associated with inability to concentrate!)?