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Offline Doctor Schomer

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Sadly...
« on: May 21, 2007, 06:50:41 PM »
I'm taking over!

Mwhaha!


Beware, puny mortals! For I have arrived in the realm of thought!


So...anyone for tea whilst we debate? :p


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Re: Sadly...
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2007, 06:52:08 PM »
Should I be worried?

Forget that question, I already am! :P

Tea would be nice :P. And what are we debating?

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Re: Sadly...
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2007, 06:52:30 PM »
What are we debating?

If you want a cup of tea, they're being handed out left, right and centre in the Food Fight strand.
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Re: Sadly...
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2007, 06:53:39 PM »
What are we debating?

If you want a cup of tea, they're being handed out left, right and centre in the Food Fight strand.
Great minds think alike, Fox ;)

And tea's being shoved down throats as well, it's the only way to get those people too sane to join in to be quiet! :P

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Re: Sadly...
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2007, 06:56:39 PM »
If you want a cup of tea, they're being handed out left, right and centre in the Food Fight strand.
Great minds think alike, Fox ;)
As do yours, apparently :P (quote adapted from another NAGTYer's quote. Must tell more of them about the next group being let in...)

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Re: Sadly...
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2007, 06:59:41 PM »
Great minds think alike, Fox ;)
As do yours, apparently :P (quote adapted from another NAGTYer's quote. Must tell more of them about the next group being let in...)
I think I should feel insulted, but that tongue really doesn't help...:P

I just had a great idea for a debate, and forgot it. Typical ;)

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Re: Sadly...
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2007, 07:15:52 PM »
Great minds think alike, Fox ;)
As do yours, apparently :P (quote adapted from another NAGTYer's quote. Must tell more of them about the next group being let in...)
I think I should feel insulted, but that tongue really doesn't help...:P
Haha :P

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I just had a great idea for a debate, and forgot it. Typical ;)
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Re: Sadly...
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2007, 07:57:43 PM »
How about-what is 'reasonable doubt'? Is total skeptiscm a reasonable position to hold and if not, at which point does it become so?
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Re: Sadly...
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2007, 04:44:54 PM »
total skeptiscm can be both the same as a 'netural-view' and a very annoying Bias.


lets get thinking, people.
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Re: Sadly...
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2007, 06:03:12 PM »
How about-what is 'reasonable doubt'? Is total skeptiscm a reasonable position to hold and if not, at which point does it become so?

Surely what is reasonable depends on the context (and maybe the severity of the consequences) ...

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Re: Sadly...
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2007, 09:06:16 PM »
I think that for a reasonable belief both a mechanism and evidence is required (a correlated scatter graph (p>0.6 or p<-0.6 for those who have done Statistics) is probably passable). For instance, the theory that temperature changes humidity requires a correlated graph of humidity to temperature as well as a mechanism, in that higher temperatures cause more evaporation, or some such thing.
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Re: Sadly...
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2007, 05:23:43 PM »
reading explo's post ahs made me very hungry for chocolate....


Anyway, I must point out that Explo's view is slighty diffrent (more pro) as he translated the question into 'belief' rather then 'doubt'; to me, these are mutally exclusive, as people with belief will not be persuaded by pouring over information such as graphs and the like, it may cause doubt, and for some reason, i'm trying to being this question round to relgion...hmmm...
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Re: Sadly...
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2007, 07:10:52 PM »
I'd say that everything is a belief. Whether it's grounded in faith or evidence is the difference. Of course, it doesn't help that the OED puts a belief as "a principle... accepted as true or real, [especially] without proof", and believe as "to accept... as true or real". That would mean that you could believe in an experimentally proven theory, but that ou could not have a belief in the correctness of an experimentally proven theory (though given that nothing can really be proved that doesn't exactly help).

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Re: Sadly...
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2007, 09:53:31 PM »
Has anyone heard of the Problem of Other Minds?
Basically, it argues that nothing can be proven except your own existence.  Therefore, like Marko said, everything apart from that fact is a belief...

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Re: Sadly...
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2007, 09:25:32 AM »
ah but can you're existence be proven?

how did we get from tea to this??