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Offline Spiral Schomer

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Summary Of Schome: Spiral
« on: May 01, 2008, 09:19:09 PM »
My Summary Of Schome

First Impressions:
Well, When I first arrived in Schome Park, after a wait of 2 months, I didn't get off to a very good start. On my second day, I had quite a big argument, which got 1 Schomer banned, and nearly found myself banned. This was due to my own mistake. I thought the handling of the situation was very porfessional, and friendly of the same time, so i would like to thank the staff, and Schomers in-world at that particular time. During my first 2 weeks, I became a DO of the Building & Planning Permission strand. I found this experience very good, and I learnt alot about SL. My overall first impression was positive.

During the course of SP3, I seemed to leave and come back, on numerous occasions. This first started after the death of the deeply missed Siobhan. Since then, I decided to start up my own project in-world. This took off to a flying start, but died down after a while due to lack of help and interest. This appeared to be quite complex, as I had alot of encouragement at the begining?

Anyway thats basically my Schome life summed up, now to my Summary.

Firstly, I would like to point out that I feel "The Schome Community" is widely split up. I don't know what you guys think about this, but I find it quite deluded. I wanted to join Schome to be part of an interlectual, smart, enthusiastic, community, but instead, we have several off them. The full group of us, are split up into several strands; i.e "The Builders", "The Scripters" etc.

I know this is helpful etc. but I feel it pulls the full group apart. We shouldn't have the strands, as each sub-group are closer to each other than the rest of the groups. Furthermore, people that haven't been known to mingle in with certain groups, are usually degraded by that group. For example, if a non-builder designed/built something, the builders will come along and criticse, or say " I/We Can do better". This decreases morales within the group. i don't know what you guys think about this, but that is my honest opinion.

Secondly, the new plotting system. I honestly don't know much about this, but what I have seen of it, it is appaling. It took me 3 days to work out what I needed to tell Peter, in order to even apply for the plot. However, I feel the "more established groups" have more of an advantage than the newer/weaker groups. I know this is what happens in real life, but again, it decreases people's will power.

Staffing; I'm not going to ramble about this, as I actually think this is a really strong point within the Schome Community. I feel, we, as the Schomers, have a really good relationship with the Schome staff. Not only, do they give us advice, mentor us, keep the project running, but they are also our friends. Yes, we can have a chat about SL or Schome, but what gives it that big push, is we can talk to them as we know them. We can have conversations witht hem about everyday life, about projects, about school, about anything, and for that Schome staff, I applaude you.

I Think I have covered everything I wanted to in my summary. Obviously this isn't a full summary, but these are the points I desperately wanted to make. Bring on SP4, if there is one. Hopefully there will be, and it will be bigger and better than ever! Feel free to reply with your own views on things, but please, no negative feedback. I understand people will feel differently on things. Congratulations, you have finished my summary!
« Last Edit: May 01, 2008, 09:21:27 PM by Spiral Schomer »

Offline Explo Schomer

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Re: Summary Of Schome: Spiral
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2008, 10:08:53 PM »
If I didn't read your summary, I'd be an utter hypocrite. ;)

As regards the groupings in schome, I do think it is a shame that tiering formed itself, with only a few people doing most of the action in each area, although this doubtless meant that what was made and done was of a very high quality. It certainly seems that many people were put off by seeing others do much better than their own first attempts. On the other hand, the differences in interest between people are probably the greatest cause for this-for instance, I've never become very involved in building, simply because I prefer doing other things (or more accurately, not doing much and talking about a lot of things). It's not necessarily a bad thing, with specialisations very useful, but the question is how to make getting involved in the already extant and 'matured' groups as easy as possible.
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Re: Summary Of Schome: Spiral
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2008, 10:16:47 PM »
Thanks for reading Explo, and I'm glad you can see where I am coming from..

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Re: Summary Of Schome: Spiral
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2008, 06:12:39 AM »
Thanks for that summary Spiral - I think you raise some really interesting problems (which I agree with).
The one about plots is in part due to there being a lack of system - wanting to try something very different and diving in (as is my want) and working out how it will work as we go along - this clearly worked to the advantage of the folk who got in early ... and it's not been helped by my having been on holiday etc (I am still running to catch up with the backlog of work which means I've not been in-world as much dealing with plot issues - I will be in this afternoon from about 4pm for an hour or two)

The really difficult problem that we have failed dismally do deal with (IMHO) links with what you say about groupings and the way in which the established groups have (normally without realising it) scared off new folk - new folk (or even established folk who are new to a particular type of activity in-world) have been put off experimenting and playing around, which is a necessary part of learning a new 'skill'. We must find ways to address this in the Schome Park 4 ... (or will that be the Virtual Schome Environment, VSE for short).

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Re: Summary Of Schome: Spiral
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2008, 06:46:14 AM »
Indeed,
Maybe we somehow need to get rid of thse little groupings, and all be one big community. Obviously schomer's will have specialityies, but anyonce can build, script etc.

And I understand about the lack of system, again, we need to have a think about this over the summer, or definately before VSE opens

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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2008, 09:35:19 AM »
Indeed,
Maybe we somehow need to get rid of thse little groupings, and all be one big community. Obviously schomer's will have specialityies, but anyonce can build, script etc.

And I understand about the lack of system, again, we need to have a think about this over the summer, or definately before VSE opens

I think that your point about their not being a schome community but schome communities is an interesting one. It seems that SL is mirrorring RL. People used to talk a lot about community but I think that most people now accept that even with geographically located populations we should really be talking about communities. Its natural when we enter a new space to be drawn to those areas that interest us and people who share our interests. Therefore, I am not certain that any attempt to create a schome community would work. The early settlers who arrived at roughly the same time in small numbers may have felt that bond and commonality but as we begin to understand the place, make spaces and understand our own place, coupled with the trickle of new arrivals interest groups emerge and communities develop. Well thats what I think anyway.

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Re: Summary Of Schome: Spiral
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2008, 10:54:12 AM »
I do beleive i've started a meme!

I must say I cannot see much evidence of boundries between groups, but then, i've been away for a while.

As for the point about friendships with staff....well, the staff were reluctant at first!


I must also point out that when you did join, I myself got a taste of a diffrent culture; words that were in everyday useage to you were offensive to me. :P, funny that, same country diffrent culture....
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Re: Summary Of Schome: Spiral
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2008, 11:59:29 AM »
I'm afraid you can't just wipe out groups like that

Even if you move poeple around then people will just come toghther again, forcing it just causes resentment
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« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2008, 12:00:54 PM »
Again, it's where you come from in England. Words up here in the Norrth can have different meanings/ effectives to the rest of the country!

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Re: Summary Of Schome: Spiral
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2008, 12:01:06 PM »
(or will that be the Virtual Schome Environment, VSE for short).

Do tell us more...
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Re: Summary Of Schome: Spiral
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2008, 12:05:18 PM »
..a VR in a VR?


I think Peter has been watching Floor 13 too many times :P
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« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2008, 12:06:16 PM »
Its seems to be a pun on VLE's so its intresting...
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Re: Summary Of Schome: Spiral
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2008, 12:31:10 PM »

Splitting into social groups is what happens in real life, I for one think it is a good thing as people can share and talk about their similar interests whilst learning from others about totally different subjects. I think that this "I can do something better than your attempt would you like me to do it?" thing has died down as people have realised that it's much more productive to help people understand how to do something rather than do it for them (the old teaching people how to grow food instead of giving them the food thing).

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« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2008, 02:30:30 PM »
I agree that the members of Schome are split into groups, such as those that are good at scripting, or building etc, but i have to disagree that it is a thing that is causing major splitting in the community.
You can't stop groups of people from meeting, because that is one of the features of Schome: we have strands for different subjects and then arrange meeting for them. Not everyone attends, and we all just attend those sessions that we are interested in. You can't force people to go to sessions they don't like, or stop them from going to sessions they enjoy, all in the name of intergration.

I personally think that a major cause of division in our community was caused when we started to allow multiple schools to bring in groups of students. Whilst i have no problem sharing our community and space with them and believe diversity is good for any community, i feel that this aspect has failed because the groups will all just be together and running there own personal seesions.
I know that they allow others in the community to join in these sessions, but not many of us wouldn't, as we could feel as though we are intruding, because everyone else in the group already khnow each other, are friends, go to the same school, are in the same class etc.

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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2008, 08:00:10 PM »
I agree that the members of Schome are split into groups, such as those that are good at scripting, or building etc, but i have to disagree that it is a thing that is causing major splitting in the community.
You can't stop groups of people from meeting, because that is one of the features of Schome: we have strands for different subjects and then arrange meeting for them. Not everyone attends, and we all just attend those sessions that we are interested in. You can't force people to go to sessions they don't like, or stop them from going to sessions they enjoy, all in the name of intergration.

I personally think that a major cause of division in our community was caused when we started to allow multiple schools to bring in groups of students. Whilst i have no problem sharing our community and space with them and believe diversity is good for any community, i feel that this aspect has failed because the groups will all just be together and running there own personal seesions.
I know that they allow others in the community to join in these sessions, but not many of us wouldn't, as we could feel as though we are intruding, because everyone else in the group already khnow each other, are friends, go to the same school, are in the same class etc.


Interesting point Kali. What you are talking about is that various communities of interest might exist within a larger meta community that shared similar values and experiences. Arriving at similar times, generally not knowing anyone, seeking support from people and thus fostering bonds.

Then, groups of known individuals join the community. Like all of us, when we arrive somewhere new its often more comfotable to spend time with the people who we have established relationships with rather than people we dont know. Common in RL and apparently (from the comments here) common in SL.

I suppose what I am asking myself is - should we be suprised. Should we be suprised that social structures and normms reproduce themselves in SL ....