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Author Topic: Staffing problems? No worries!  (Read 21311 times)
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« on: April 13, 2008, 02:40:36 PM »

Hello Eveyone, your (un)friendly Doctor speaking.
I realize that to a degree, staffing problems persist. So, I would like to entice you into running a program on Schome known as AutoTutor, an AI that teaches, right now it covers computer literacy, conceptual physics, and critical thinking. It can be licensed for use now, but at the end of the year it will be released for free.

Here is an example lesson from it's computer literacy program;

TUTOR-1: Alright, let's go on. You want to take photos and
send them over the Internet. Consider this problem. What
hardware do you need to take photos and send them over
the Internet?
STUDENT-1: First of all you need to have access to
the internet.
TUTOR-2: What else?
STUDENT-2: a camera
TUTOR-3: Yeah. For what type of connection do you need
a network card?
STUDENT-3: network card
TUTOR-4: Okay. Now, if you have access to the Internet
through a network card, then your connection is…
STUDENT-4: I don't know.
TUTOR-5: Is direct. Okay. A network card is needed if
you have a direct connection to the Internet. Okay. How
does the user get hooked up to the internet?
STUDENT-5: by a plug.
TUTOR-6: Once again, a network card is needed if you
have a direct connection to the Internet. Okay, what does
a modem do?
STUDENT-6: connects network card and internet
TUTOR-7: Okay. Try this. A modem is required when
there is…
STUDENT-7: a connection
TUTOR-8: a dial up connection.
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TUTOR-30: Let’s review. To send your photos on the
Internet, you need either a digital camera or a regular
camera to take the photos. If you use a regular camera,
you need a scanner to scan them onto a computer disk.
If you have a direct connection to the Internet, then you
need a network card. A modem is needed if you have a
dial up connection.
As you can see, it's pretty good!
Shortly I will employ this on NAGTY Forever to teach Critical thinking.
Peter, you'd best be interested in this, it can save Schome quite a bit of money.
http://faculty.tamu-commerce.edu/dharter/pubs/journal/2001/aimag01/AIMag22-04-005.pdf is the full article about it.

http://www.autotutor.org/ is it's website.
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2008, 04:42:58 PM »

It looks pretty good, but from what I know of current AIs, the responses tend to be rather limited, and when something goes outside the margins of the AIs programming, it resorts to repeating what was said to it, in a slightly altered form. Since no schome sessions I've went to have kept very strictly to a single subject, I'm not sure AIs are appropriate (especially considering schome's ethos of teachers as learners, and learners as teachers)
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2008, 08:17:37 PM »

haha, Marko, those AI's are 30 years old!

If you want to have a convo with a real AI, look up our own creation; Jeeney AI on google.
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2008, 09:52:03 PM »

The main problem I seem to have noticed on Jeeney AI is in referring to previous sections of the conversation, leading to several self contradictions. Likewise, phrases such as 'Why?' cannot be linked to the explanation given, and so generalised replies are given, which I think would not be remedied by experience alone. Of course, I am being specifically sceptical about it.
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2008, 11:37:12 AM »

Fair enough, but you must of noticed Jeeney cannot recall what was just said, as we havent inbued her with memory as of yet. She's far in advanced of ALICE and the other chatbots avaible.

As far as AutoTutor is concerned, I don't think it will be a problem, it could just pause the lesson when it goes off topic, and go back on it when asked.

I would like to stress that, unlike human teachers, AutoTutor is online all the time, it can also answer your questions quickly. At least it would be better to have that then to have no teacher at all?
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2008, 11:45:43 AM »

aye I noticed that it had no memory as it started talking about memory glitchs when i asked it wether it had liked lerning french when it had leren it or something among those lines

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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2008, 01:51:52 PM »

Oh yes indeedy, unlike other bots, she does have the abilty to self-modify, so in time, she'll have made her own faculties.
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2008, 03:32:14 PM »

haha, Marko, those AI's are 30 years old!

If you want to have a convo with a real AI, look up our own creation; Jeeney AI on google.

It seems that Jeeney laughs every time something isn't understood, which gets rather annoying. Overall, there seem to be a lot of general answers, which may make conversation possible, but at the same time makes it rather infuriating. It's better than previous AIs, but I doubt it's pass the Turing test.
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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2008, 03:49:00 PM »


There is really a funding problem not a staffing one, which is down to idle staff that are still being paid
How would your monster know if somebody wanted to learn about physics etc?
Would they not have to follow everybody around?
Does it go away when told to?
How would this be better than a human talking to people at their level of intelligence?
Why are you trying to achieve a market here?  ???
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2008, 06:48:43 PM »

Animus, there are no 'idle staff that are still being paid'. In fact, several of the staff are working unpaid. As far as I'm aware, every paid member of staff is currently working more hours a week than they are actually paid for.
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2008, 07:42:52 PM »


Then I was misleaded by members of staff saying that at the staff, not staff meeting :-\
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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2008, 08:42:07 PM »

They never said that, as far as I can remember. They said there were many idle unpaid staff.


And I would complain about the factual accuracy of this transcript. Also, the prompts are somewhat misleading. >.>
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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2008, 08:47:04 PM »

Yes, there were several staff who were set up with avatars but were not using them. Either they had been active in the past and have now left the project - or they were set up with avatars but never became active. Euphloozie has spent some time finding out which staff members still intend to be active. Adults not contributing to Schome will lose access rights.
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« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2008, 11:38:14 AM »

I'm not suggesting we dump the staff for AutoTutor, i'm simply saying it could be useful in the same line that a textbook is useful. Plus, I do remember lessons that were cancelled because the staff were ill, so AutoTutor could be a temporary replacement.
The makers of AutoTutor I beleive are checking Schome out.

This 'monster' animus (not mine) has sevreal diffrent versions, it isnt just one system.
It's been in development for 10 years, so it should be quite good.
I stress again, it isnt a replacement (though if Schome grows to the point where one teacher would struggle with the expanding classes, AutoTutor could give a helping hand) it's simply a system to make life easier.


I fail to see how the staff have an effect on it's usefulness.
Then again, Animus, I must remember, you've got what Asimov called a 'Frankenstien Complex'!
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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2008, 03:08:41 PM »


 :P sure do, i like something that thinks about what i have said instead of proccessing it and coming up with an apropriate response
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