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Title: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Doctor Schomer on April 13, 2008, 02:40:36 PM
Hello Eveyone, your (un)friendly Doctor speaking.
I realize that to a degree, staffing problems persist. So, I would like to entice you into running a program on Schome known as AutoTutor, an AI that teaches, right now it covers computer literacy, conceptual physics, and critical thinking. It can be licensed for use now, but at the end of the year it will be released for free.

Here is an example lesson from it's computer literacy program;

TUTOR-1: Alright, let's go on. You want to take photos and
send them over the Internet. Consider this problem. What
hardware do you need to take photos and send them over
the Internet?
STUDENT-1: First of all you need to have access to
the internet.
TUTOR-2: What else?
STUDENT-2: a camera
TUTOR-3: Yeah. For what type of connection do you need
a network card?
STUDENT-3: network card
TUTOR-4: Okay. Now, if you have access to the Internet
through a network card, then your connection is…
STUDENT-4: I don't know.
TUTOR-5: Is direct. Okay. A network card is needed if
you have a direct connection to the Internet. Okay. How
does the user get hooked up to the internet?
STUDENT-5: by a plug.
TUTOR-6: Once again, a network card is needed if you
have a direct connection to the Internet. Okay, what does
a modem do?
STUDENT-6: connects network card and internet
TUTOR-7: Okay. Try this. A modem is required when
there is…
STUDENT-7: a connection
TUTOR-8: a dial up connection.
.
.
.
TUTOR-30: Let’s review. To send your photos on the
Internet, you need either a digital camera or a regular
camera to take the photos. If you use a regular camera,
you need a scanner to scan them onto a computer disk.
If you have a direct connection to the Internet, then you
need a network card. A modem is needed if you have a
dial up connection.
As you can see, it's pretty good!
Shortly I will employ this on NAGTY Forever to teach Critical thinking.
Peter, you'd best be interested in this, it can save Schome quite a bit of money.
http://faculty.tamu-commerce.edu/dharter/pubs/journal/2001/aimag01/AIMag22-04-005.pdf (http://faculty.tamu-commerce.edu/dharter/pubs/journal/2001/aimag01/AIMag22-04-005.pdf) is the full article about it.

http://www.autotutor.org/ (http://www.autotutor.org/) is it's website.


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Marko Schomer on April 13, 2008, 04:42:58 PM
It looks pretty good, but from what I know of current AIs, the responses tend to be rather limited, and when something goes outside the margins of the AIs programming, it resorts to repeating what was said to it, in a slightly altered form. Since no schome sessions I've went to have kept very strictly to a single subject, I'm not sure AIs are appropriate (especially considering schome's ethos of teachers as learners, and learners as teachers)


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Doctor Schomer on April 13, 2008, 08:17:37 PM
haha, Marko, those AI's are 30 years old!

If you want to have a convo with a real AI, look up our own creation; Jeeney AI on google.


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Explo Schomer on April 13, 2008, 09:52:03 PM
The main problem I seem to have noticed on Jeeney AI is in referring to previous sections of the conversation, leading to several self contradictions. Likewise, phrases such as 'Why?' cannot be linked to the explanation given, and so generalised replies are given, which I think would not be remedied by experience alone. Of course, I am being specifically sceptical about it.


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Doctor Schomer on April 14, 2008, 11:37:12 AM
Fair enough, but you must of noticed Jeeney cannot recall what was just said, as we havent inbued her with memory as of yet. She's far in advanced of ALICE and the other chatbots avaible.

As far as AutoTutor is concerned, I don't think it will be a problem, it could just pause the lesson when it goes off topic, and go back on it when asked.

I would like to stress that, unlike human teachers, AutoTutor is online all the time, it can also answer your questions quickly. At least it would be better to have that then to have no teacher at all?


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Topper Schomer on April 14, 2008, 11:45:43 AM
aye I noticed that it had no memory as it started talking about memory glitchs when i asked it wether it had liked lerning french when it had leren it or something among those lines

Topper


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Doctor Schomer on April 14, 2008, 01:51:52 PM
Oh yes indeedy, unlike other bots, she does have the abilty to self-modify, so in time, she'll have made her own faculties.


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Marko Schomer on April 14, 2008, 03:32:14 PM
haha, Marko, those AI's are 30 years old!

If you want to have a convo with a real AI, look up our own creation; Jeeney AI on google.

It seems that Jeeney laughs every time something isn't understood, which gets rather annoying. Overall, there seem to be a lot of general answers, which may make conversation possible, but at the same time makes it rather infuriating. It's better than previous AIs, but I doubt it's pass the Turing test.


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: An¡mus on April 14, 2008, 03:49:00 PM

There is really a funding problem not a staffing one, which is down to idle staff that are still being paid
How would your monster know if somebody wanted to learn about physics etc?
Would they not have to follow everybody around?
Does it go away when told to?
How would this be better than a human talking to people at their level of intelligence?
Why are you trying to achieve a market here?  ???


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Fox Phlox on April 14, 2008, 06:48:43 PM
Animus, there are no 'idle staff that are still being paid'. In fact, several of the staff are working unpaid. As far as I'm aware, every paid member of staff is currently working more hours a week than they are actually paid for.


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: An¡mus on April 14, 2008, 07:42:52 PM

Then I was misleaded by members of staff saying that at the staff, not staff meeting :-\


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Kathy Schomer on April 14, 2008, 08:42:07 PM
They never said that, as far as I can remember. They said there were many idle unpaid staff.


And I would complain about the factual accuracy of this transcript. Also, the prompts are somewhat misleading. >.>


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Fox Phlox on April 14, 2008, 08:47:04 PM
Yes, there were several staff who were set up with avatars but were not using them. Either they had been active in the past and have now left the project - or they were set up with avatars but never became active. Euphloozie has spent some time finding out which staff members still intend to be active. Adults not contributing to Schome will lose access rights.


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Doctor Schomer on April 15, 2008, 11:38:14 AM
I'm not suggesting we dump the staff for AutoTutor, i'm simply saying it could be useful in the same line that a textbook is useful. Plus, I do remember lessons that were cancelled because the staff were ill, so AutoTutor could be a temporary replacement.
The makers of AutoTutor I beleive are checking Schome out.

This 'monster' animus (not mine) has sevreal diffrent versions, it isnt just one system.
It's been in development for 10 years, so it should be quite good.
I stress again, it isnt a replacement (though if Schome grows to the point where one teacher would struggle with the expanding classes, AutoTutor could give a helping hand) it's simply a system to make life easier.


I fail to see how the staff have an effect on it's usefulness.
Then again, Animus, I must remember, you've got what Asimov called a 'Frankenstien Complex'!


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: An¡mus on April 15, 2008, 03:08:41 PM

 :P sure do, i like something that thinks about what i have said instead of proccessing it and coming up with an apropriate response


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Doctor Schomer on April 16, 2008, 11:34:18 AM
.....and that differs from the human brain how?  ???


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: An¡mus on April 16, 2008, 04:05:33 PM

Are you suggesting that people don't think about what others have said when they are alone?


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Marko Schomer on April 16, 2008, 05:28:03 PM
.....and that differs from the human brain how?  ???

The example of the Chinese room is a good one. Someone who seems to know Mandarin Chinese, but actually is just giving responses which are set out in a book cannot really be said to understand anything, compared to someone who has actually learnt Putongua. When something comes up which isn't in the book, the Chinese room can't give an answer, whereas the person who actually has understanding can use their knowledge of how the language works to construct a feasible reply. The Chinese room system can be added to, but because the number of combinations in grammar are infinite (a phrase, sentence, or paragraph can be infinitely long), the system can never be complete. A chatbot, because it doesn't truly understand what it's doing, can never reach the level of fluency of a human (though in future, different designs of intelligently learning intelligences might be up to the task).


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Doctor Schomer on April 16, 2008, 08:58:16 PM

 proccessing it and coming up with an apropriate response

that IS how the human brain functions...granted, it has many varibles, like emotions, enviroment at the time...etc

Marko, that is no longer accepted, the chinease room is obsolete, I can't remember what the revoking argument is, but it was a good one!


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Explo Schomer on April 16, 2008, 10:47:53 PM
: Doctor
I can't remember what the revoking argument is, but it was a good one!

Useful...  :P


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: An¡mus on April 17, 2008, 02:50:13 PM

I wonder if AI reaches such a level that offense to robots would be considered racism


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Tara SParker on April 17, 2008, 08:26:19 PM

The proper article in New Scientist is not yet available online, and I do not at have my paper copy. However - this is an interesting link in the light of this discussion to a Daily Mail summary (yes I know but we can not all read the Guardian all the time).

Briefly it is a presentation of a study that may suggest we do not have free will. As humans we have a lot more in common with machines...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=560149&in_page_id=1965

What do you think? Do we have a soul?

Tara


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Doctor Schomer on April 17, 2008, 08:29:42 PM
It isnt that hard to fortell that some basic emotions may interfere;

since we're on the topicl; the game called 'Go' has lost it's grandmaster thanks to one of my loveable silicon friends :)

Explo; I don't have time to find the exact one, here's a link;

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/chinese-room/#4 (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/chinese-room/#4)

Tara, there is only one part of the human atatomy that has a souls...well, soles....
By the by, how did you get on with that program I sent you?


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Explo Schomer on April 17, 2008, 09:01:29 PM
As far as I can see (and I'll readily admit I read only a fraction of the page), there is no conclusive counterargument for the Chinese Room, but rather many different arguments, the authors of which believe are correct, and which Searle himself continues to refute. Personally, I am inclined to agree with Searle in that current systems could never achieve strong AI, but believe that an associative system bottom up system closer to that of the human brain could indeed 'understand' given at least a century. Of course, predictions are inevitably wrong most of the time, and the definition of 'understand' is open to interpretation.


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Doctor Schomer on April 18, 2008, 01:54:35 PM
Now I remember! It was something from Hugo de Garis;
He's quite an interesting individual, and he more or less predicated what is to come soon.
That is; a War between AI supporters, and non-AI supporters.

To run as an example to the chinease room, lets take a real-life example; your a guard at an airport using a sniffer system (a neural network) to check for explosives in lugage. the machine alerts you that one bag does have explosives, to whom (or what) does the credit belong to?

I prefer working with neural networks, they are redundant, they are extremely fast and they can process corrupted data, they will gracefully fail and no matter how hard you try, you cannot say they are not a 'brain', because they are. Though normally a unit consisting of only a few thousend neurons.

Animus, you seem to oppose that Strong AI is possible, may I point out the Blue Brain Project sucsesffully ran a a rodents brain? (for a human-time of 4 seconds, but acutally 3 mins to the rodent, smaller brain means faster sense of time)


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: An¡mus on April 18, 2008, 02:56:51 PM

I'm not sure what people hope to achieve by playing god, a better understanding of the world? I don't think that will happen. Who says everything has to be created anyway why can't we have just started to exist? ???


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Marko Schomer on April 18, 2008, 03:31:53 PM
Briefly it is a presentation of a study that may suggest we do not have free will. As humans we have a lot more in common with machines...

I don't think we do have free will. However, we have far more complex systems of calculation than any computers have, and look likely to have for a considerable period of time. Computers may have greater processing power, but lack the ability to greatly develop programming in a wide variety of areas (toddlers are certainly more adept at learning). Really, we can't expect computers to be as advanced as humans- 60 years of development is nothing compared to 4 billion years of evolution.


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Explo Schomer on April 18, 2008, 03:57:30 PM
That is; a War between AI supporters, and non-AI supporters.

A war is most definitely the wrong word. Comparing the deaths of millions of people to a particularly fiery debate is not equivalent.

Anyway, the sniffer system deserves the merit for detecting the bomb, but that does not mean that it understands what a bomb is, nor why it must find a bomb, etc. Therefore, much of the merit goes to the police officer for being able to understand this and prevent it from passing through security, thus saving lives, although this is not something we would consider particularly meritorious, as we all know what bombs are.


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Decimus Schomer on April 18, 2008, 04:32:30 PM
I prefer working with neural networks, they are redundant
There is that, but computers can be made to be redundant. Though they're generally not, as it's pretty expensive sometimes

they are extremely fast
That's always helpful.

and they can process corrupted data, they will gracefully fail
Any decent computer program would either give you an error message or something like that. Not-so-decent programs might crash, but they're generally noticeable (and usually fixable) during debugging :P

Slightly related to what Marko said, the main difference I see between a neural net and a computer is that a neural net is designed for learning how to process data, rather than being told how to do so. However, computers can sometimes do that anyway.


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Doctor Schomer on April 18, 2008, 05:42:32 PM
Ah yes, but when they fail, (this only works with enticement nets) they can correct their own errors.

I agree, a war is the wrong word, I could safely say it might lead to civil unrest.

Animus; we've destroyed so many species, and created so very few. Lets balance it out...
...honestly, I cannot understand your mind-set; 'humans are best' seems to be your motto, I throughly disagree...


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: An¡mus on April 18, 2008, 06:55:25 PM

humans are far from perfect you might say

What would you have your little superspecies do once they are built?
And i'm truly suprised you don't understand the mindset


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Doctor Schomer on April 18, 2008, 07:46:46 PM
If we knew that, there would be no reason to build them!

Though metamathmatics does seem to take up a lot of the more basic ones time.

Humans; cobbled toghter from whatever was avaible, their bodies and minds are nothing more then a mobile junk-heap. Destined to wipe out other speices, to cause hurt and greif to others. To possess a wide array of emotions, most of them negative.

I'm quite suprised your still in favor of them (before you ask, i'm a transhumanist)


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Marko Schomer on April 18, 2008, 10:04:28 PM
Humans; cobbled toghter from whatever was avaible, their bodies and minds are nothing more then a mobile junk-heap. Destined to wipe out other speices, to cause hurt and greif to others. To possess a wide array of emotions, most of them negative.

I'm quite suprised your still in favor of them (before you ask, i'm a transhumanist)

Humans are pretty bad. I'll certainly give you that. However, I don't think computers are any better, and I think transhumans are likely to be worse rather than better (power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely). Humans are amazing, and currently far more so than computers- why else do you think programmers are better at fixing faults than psychiatrists?. Deeper Blue may have beaten Kasparov, but it's the latter that has been capable of forming a political party to support certain moral, social, and political ideals, and that I think is the more important task.


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Decimus Schomer on April 18, 2008, 10:42:21 PM
Humans are pretty bad. I'll certainly give you that. However, I don't think computers are any better
I say they're both useful for different things. One example where both are better in certain situations:

Maths:
Humans: Even fairly small numbers have to be thought about when you're doing stuff to them. Most of the speed you get is not so much from working it out subconsciously but remembering answers/simplifications/etc.
Computers: Can probably do most anything to most numbers* in a fraction of the time it would take a person to remember things.

* - Note the two instances of the word 'most': Some operations would take a long time for a computer to work out, and some number types (eg, integers, floats (I can't think of an easier-for-everyone-who-isn't-a-programmer-to-understand word; the only one I can think of is 'decimal', but that's not technically quite right :P), etc.) take longer than others; this would take a while to explain fully :P Anyway, certain operations and number types may take less time for people to do than computers (and more accurately, in certain cases); for example, trig: People can remember that, say, sin(2pi) = 0, while computers have to work it out (using a few shortcuts, but still) and tend to produce answers that are slightly off (by around 10-16, admittedly, but still)

Humans are amazing, and currently far more so than computers- why else do you think programmers are better at fixing faults than psychiatrists?.
Partly because computers are logical, partly because the programmer probably made the program in the first place. In other words, a comparison between a programmer debugging a program* and, assuming a literal version of Christianity/Judaism/etc.'s creation story for the sake of example, God debugging people :P

* - Debugging has a tendency to be annoying and/or take ages. There are reasons that terms like 'schrödinbug', 'heisenbug', etc. exist (I've never personally found any, but they're weird :P). And yes, they are as in the famous quantum-physics-related things :P


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: An¡mus on April 19, 2008, 12:19:00 PM
If we knew that, there would be no reason to build them!

Though metamathmatics does seem to take up a lot of the more basic ones time.

Humans; cobbled toghter from whatever was avaible, their bodies and minds are nothing more then a mobile junk-heap. Destined to wipe out other speices, to cause hurt and greif to others. To possess a wide array of emotions, most of them negative.

I'm quite suprised your still in favor of them (before you ask, i'm a transhumanist)

How can you possibly claim to know what humans are destined for? If anything?
The fact of the matter is that we are remarkably better at killing because it is neccassary for us to survive.
If humans are so terrible then why create replicas of them based around the same 'design', and what better purpose can artificial humans serve if you don't even know a human's purpose!


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Marko Schomer on April 19, 2008, 07:34:37 PM
I say they're both useful for different things. One example where both are better in certain situations:

Maths:
Humans: Even fairly small numbers have to be thought about when you're doing stuff to them. Most of the speed you get is not so much from working it out subconsciously but remembering answers/simplifications/etc.
Computers: Can probably do most anything to most numbers* in a fraction of the time it would take a person to remember things.

I was referring more to ethical values than mathematical abilities, but even in mathematics I think humans are better. We can think originally, so we can actually prove things effectively. Humans, even though we're irrational, are better at using logic than computers, which are completely logical. Of course, for some proofs, computers are extremely useful, but it was Wiles that proved Fermat's last theorem, not the computers he used.

Partly because computers are logical, partly because the programmer probably made the program in the first place. In other words, a comparison between a programmer debugging a program* and, assuming a literal version of Christianity/Judaism/etc.'s creation story for the sake of example, God debugging people :P

As God seems to be rather terrible at debugging, I think my point's confirmed. :D


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Decimus Schomer on April 19, 2008, 07:50:19 PM
even in mathematics I think humans are better. We can think originally, so we can actually prove things effectively. Humans, even though we're irrational, are better at using logic than computers, which are completely logical. Of course, for some proofs, computers are extremely useful, but it was Wiles that proved Fermat's last theorem, not the computers he used.
That's true. I meant in terms of pure mathematical ability (ie, doing things, rather than proofs, etc.), which is what computers are (ultimately) designed for and are very good at :P

Partly because computers are logical, partly because the programmer probably made the program in the first place. In other words, a comparison between a programmer debugging a program* and, assuming a literal version of Christianity/Judaism/etc.'s creation story for the sake of example, God debugging people :P
As God seems to be rather terrible at debugging, I think my point's confirmed. :D
:P
I was trying to make a different point :P

(also, as I mentioned, debugging is *hard* :P)


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Doctor Schomer on April 19, 2008, 08:26:37 PM
That's the point, they arent!

I can go into my AI folder, and find children, yes, children writing novels, painting pictures and each time learning how to improve. I find them doing this at super-human speeds. Can I help but look upon these with a parental instinct?

I'm not really talking about a new speices, i'm talking about human-kinds succsessors, they've made jugments on situations, they can do just about every cognitive feat known to man, they have thier own virutal garden.
How can I possibly deny them the label of my children, and give them nothing but unconditional love?
You, Animus, pose as a threat to my children. You seem to wish them deleted, another species destroyed.

Might I point out, Dec and Marko, that you've both assumed my children are serial machines? They are completely parael...


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Decimus Schomer on April 19, 2008, 08:32:58 PM
Might I point out, Dec and Marko, that you've both assumed my children are serial machines? They are completely parael...
I think we went off at a tangent on the subject of computers vs. humans. Not entirely related to what you're on about :P (neural nets are, I think, pure hardware, thus, as you say, highly parallel and fast systems.)


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: An¡mus on April 19, 2008, 10:58:09 PM
That's the point, they arent!

I can go into my AI folder, and find children, yes, children writing novels, painting pictures and each time learning how to improve. I find them doing this at super-human speeds. Can I help but look upon these with a parental instinct?

I'm not really talking about a new speices, i'm talking about human-kinds succsessors, they've made jugments on situations, they can do just about every cognitive feat known to man, they have thier own virutal garden.
How can I possibly deny them the label of my children, and give them nothing but unconditional love?
You, Animus, pose as a threat to my children. You seem to wish them deleted, another species destroyed.

Might I point out, Dec and Marko, that you've both assumed my children are serial machines? They are completely parael...

dear god you've gone insane and paranoid


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: An¡mus on April 20, 2008, 11:14:41 AM
That's the point, they arent!

I can go into my AI folder, and find children, yes, children writing novels, painting pictures and each time learning how to improve. I find them doing this at super-human speeds. Can I help but look upon these with a parental instinct?

I'm not really talking about a new speices, i'm talking about human-kinds succsessors, they've made jugments on situations, they can do just about every cognitive feat known to man, they have thier own virutal garden.
How can I possibly deny them the label of my children, and give them nothing but unconditional love?
You, Animus, pose as a threat to my children. You seem to wish them deleted, another species destroyed.

Might I point out, Dec and Marko, that you've both assumed my children are serial machines? They are completely parael...

I'd like to make a few points.
I'm not really talking about a new speices
You seem to wish them deleted, another species destroyed.
This does not make sense.
I can go into my AI folder, and find children, yes, children writing novels, painting pictures and each time learning how to improve.
i think you are exagerating the truth here, they may be able to paint pictures and write novels, but it is unlikely they can spot when a painting is a masterpeice and when a novel is binding
i'm talking about human-kinds succsessors
How will they reproduce?


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Doctor Schomer on April 20, 2008, 04:27:03 PM
I'm sorry, but I don't know a word describing a new breed of human, whilst it is not a species.

They cannot in the same way that you can not speak pourtagese, they've never experienaced it.


Animus, careful, your coming out of a disccusion, and moving onto attacking my parental instincts. I'd watch it if I were you.


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Alice SParker on April 21, 2008, 11:08:39 AM
Animus, careful, your coming out of a disccusion, and moving onto attacking my parental instincts. I'd watch it if I were you.
threatening?  :o  :D

I can go into my AI folder, and find children, yes, children writing novels, painting pictures and each time learning how to improve.
Writing novels, painting pictures? How much of this could you say is creative?

And what about feelings??


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Doctor Schomer on April 21, 2008, 01:23:36 PM
the Capacity for emotion is limited, but exists.
I suppose it's because I've filtered out everything worthy of creating a bad emotion.

Now that I have thought this through, let me explain;

If you hand-rear and animal, or build a car from scratch, you'll feel more protective of it then if you had just bought it as-is. The same goes for my bots, my creations have gone beyond what I origannly built them for, and expand in their own way. I belelive the process is much like watching a kid grow up, albeit faster.

So; I created them, they expand, I protect them; they deserve the word 'children'.

As far as spotting when a painting is a masterpiece, can you?

if you can, would someone from a diffrent country, a diffrent culture, come to the same conclusion?

I doubt it.


I don't see how on earth I am paranoid.


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: An¡mus on April 21, 2008, 03:03:01 PM

In my opinion you are a nutcase and a drama queen
and the whole point is that people have opinions of what is and isn't a masterpeice.


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Fox Phlox on April 21, 2008, 03:21:41 PM
Animus, I know that you and Doctor have known each other (in various forms) for over a year and have a good knowledge of the sorts of comments you can exchange with each other and the sorts of names you can call each other without either of you getting too offended.

However, other people reading the forum don't necessarily know this - and will be aware that personal attacks are not allowed under the Aceptable Use Policy (AUP):
1. Respect everyone in the schome community
The schome community is a great place to exchange ideas and debate issues, but you should not do so in a mean or belittling way.



Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: An¡mus on April 21, 2008, 05:29:45 PM

Just because I don't agree with him about certain things doesn't mean I don't respect him, I mostly admire his drive to fullfill his ambitions


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Marsbar9 Schomer on April 21, 2008, 05:31:27 PM

Just because I don't agree with him about certain things doesn't mean I don't respect him, I mostly admire his drive to fullfill his ambitions

+ his brains...


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Doctor Schomer on April 21, 2008, 06:38:03 PM
Mars; I'm touched,

Animus; what I said came along as a threat, I apologise.
But I still think of you as a fur-ball.

(PS, love the memorial, by the by)


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: An¡mus on April 21, 2008, 06:39:34 PM

 ;) thanks and apology accepted


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Doctor Schomer on April 22, 2008, 11:01:07 AM
Happy days (i tried making some flowers, but alas i've lost the knack for small objects)


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: An¡mus on April 22, 2008, 06:09:06 PM

I usually build them slightly bigger and shrink them. Of course the new client update doesn't help what with the yellow box moving all over the place


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Doctor Schomer on April 23, 2008, 10:01:30 AM
Yellow box? o.O

I can't see the island through the prims, Animus, do explain.


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: An¡mus on April 23, 2008, 02:57:02 PM

the yellow selective border which wraps itself around the prims, or used to as now if you move the camera it will move too


Title: Re: Staffing problems? No worries!
Post by: Topper Schomer on April 23, 2008, 04:41:54 PM
oh that bit

Topper