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Title: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Marsbar9 Schomer on December 01, 2007, 07:21:27 PM
I was thinking, we've got a lot of good strands, Ethics and Philosophy being the most popular, and then of course you've got media, which is slowly beginning to take off. Would it be possible to have more set up, and if so, what would people be interested in?

I know that Gaea is finalising plans for Geography sessions, and now we've got the coding/HTML/IT thing  (:P).

One of the things I'd like to see is a few people discussing career options, so maybe someone from Connexions? Astronomy? (Looks at Olly!) Journalism? Physics again?

Just some thoughts.


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: KitKatKid Schomer on December 01, 2007, 09:15:34 PM
I am interested in medicine and doctoring so I would like maybe a Health and Medicine strand? This could include role plays and could also include a tie-in with E+p about moral issues etc. what do you think?


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Explo Schomer on December 01, 2007, 09:49:39 PM
Physics is always ticking away in the background, although in the sense of more learning through experience rather than being taught, which I personally prefer. Journalism would be quite interesting, although I guess the idea for a newsletter and the whole publicity creation is already working towards that. I think one idea, which would be extremely hard to organise, would be to attempt to bring in guest speakers for one or two sessions.


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Decimus Schomer on December 01, 2007, 09:55:52 PM
now we've got the coding/HTML/IT thing  (:P).
Seeing as Spiral has left, we'll have to find someone else to take over the main responsibility in the SPTC; I might do that if nobody else wants to.

Also, I'd be happy to do some sessions on the subject of making HTML and websites and that, if enough people want me to...


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: An¡mus on December 02, 2007, 01:08:06 AM
now we've got the coding/HTML/IT thing  (:P).
Seeing as Spiral has left, we'll have to find someone else to take over the main responsibility in the SPTC; I might do that if nobody else wants to.

I'm a bit confused. Spiral wasn't any particular role in the SPTC (everyone) and as far as I know wasn't that interested except in the schomeTECH side of things, are you saying you would like to take over the responsibility of schomeTECH?  ???


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Topper Schomer on December 02, 2007, 08:31:19 AM
Justa suggestion....

If gaea and peter thught it good I have a brilliant enthousiastic geography teacher who might be interested in helping the geog side of things....

Topper


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Miss. Vibia on December 02, 2007, 10:33:56 AM
Geography! Sounds brilliant! Love geography- althoughas of September I am giving it up to replace it with Geology wich is a cross between Geog and Physics... so maybe the two strands will cross over a little... eg. formation of the earth and plate techtonics etc..  ???


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Fox Phlox on December 02, 2007, 10:38:33 AM
Justa suggestion....

If gaea and peter thught it good I have a brilliant enthousiastic geography teacher who might be interested in helping the geog side of things....

Topper

Topper, it might be worth PMing PeterT with this suggestion, to bring it to his attention.


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Topper Schomer on December 02, 2007, 11:39:08 AM
hokey dokey

Topper


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Explo Schomer on December 02, 2007, 04:54:45 PM
I'd have thought that geology would be more based on chemistry?


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: RoughBounds on December 02, 2007, 08:15:08 PM
I like the geography suggestion, I am  a lapsed geographer myself to count me in.

Quite a bit of chemistry in geology, a lot of overlap with physics (behaviour of liquids) as well though. Geology has played a key role in how we understand our world. It challenged the biblical account of creation within western thought, this led to christian scientists diefying nature and ultimately to outdoor and green movements. Darwin was a very talented geologist and his theory of atholl formation is still current, he had a copy of Lyles treatise on geology with him on the Beagle and it influenced his work heavily.  Anyway ....

I was planning to run some research methods sessions based in participatory methods, so if anyone is interested give me a shout ...

Warning conversations may drift


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: PeterT on December 04, 2007, 06:26:33 AM
I'm tempted to suggest that strands should follow activity - last thing we want is lots of empty strands (cos the forum is difficult enough to navigate already). If a group are engaged in some activity that looks like its going to grow then we should form a strand around it ... Just a thought ...  ???


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Faji on December 04, 2007, 09:02:35 AM
I'm always up for selling a carrer in physics (we are virtually contractually oblidged to nowerdays!), just track me down and I will tell you how great it is :)

oh, and don't let gaea hear you call her a geographer (she's a planetary geologist)!  :D


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Dan on December 04, 2007, 09:20:05 AM
Well it certainly seems that your line of work has turned you into something of a globe-trotter Olly.  How many countries have you visited this year?


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Marsbar9 Schomer on December 04, 2007, 04:39:25 PM
Jealous?  lol

That's a posh title Gaea  ;)


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: KitKatKid Schomer on December 04, 2007, 04:41:00 PM
I don't think anyone has replied about my earlier post so i shall repeat it.


I am interested in medicine and doctoring so I would like maybe a Health and Medicine strand? This could include role plays and could also include a tie-in with E+p about moral issues etc. what do you think?



Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Ronnie SParker on December 04, 2007, 05:34:35 PM
I don't think anyone has replied about my earlier post so i shall repeat it.


I am interested in medicine and doctoring so I would like maybe a Health and Medicine strand? This could include role plays and could also include a tie-in with E+p about moral issues etc. what do you think?



was just about to post a reply when I saw you'd posted it again... I think this is a great idea. There is a massive crossover with E&P - I studied a large module on Medical Ethics as part of my philosophy degree, so would be very interested in helping to get this one rolling, but I don't have any knowledge of the scientific (i.e. main!) aspects of medicine.
If you have any specific ideas about things you'd like to see happen in this area please let us know!
Thanks

Ronnie


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: KitKatKid Schomer on December 04, 2007, 06:01:01 PM
I was thinking of in-world role plays because they would work well.

There could be about 2 or 3 doctors and a few patients who have to act out the symptoms of a certain illness. The doctors would have to diagnose the illness and suggest action (e.g Surgery)

We could also hold sessions with the E&P in Scholympia or another meeting place and just hold a focused debate/discussion about issues such as Resuscitation and Blood Transfusions (Jehovah's Witnesses etc..)


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Dan on December 04, 2007, 06:17:33 PM
Depending how exactly the role-play was set up and carried out, I think this could be a very powerful use of the environment.


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: KitKatKid Schomer on December 04, 2007, 06:19:35 PM
Well I didnt have any exact thoughts on how it could be set out - I thought maybe we could come up with a good idea between us.


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Miss. Vibia on December 04, 2007, 06:56:05 PM
Well-you could have a person who organises it, tells the patienty person what symptoms to display and then the doctors have to 'guess' what it is... possibly.... a little like a murder mystery kinda thing...  ???


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: KitKatKid Schomer on December 04, 2007, 07:00:14 PM
Yeah maybe the illnesses could be a stomach ulcer - throwing up blood, abdominal pains etc..

Post your ideas!

Then we'll get this show on the road


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Explo Schomer on December 04, 2007, 08:30:54 PM
Perhaps if the doctors don't know what it is to start with and have to diagnose it from the symptoms?


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Topper Schomer on December 04, 2007, 08:32:50 PM
thats what i thought it was

Topper


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Explo Schomer on December 04, 2007, 09:33:37 PM
Ah, sorry.  :-[


Title: Geography?
Post by: Zenna on December 04, 2007, 11:54:26 PM
Hey, I'm a head of Geography who is happy to chair any geographical threads from coursework to general geology/ tectonics/ general physical geography stuff! (and may even entertain human at a push?) :)

Zenna!


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: KitKatKid Schomer on December 05, 2007, 07:21:13 AM
Perhaps if the doctors don't know what it is to start with and have to diagnose it from the symptoms?

Yeah that was the idea. Only the individual patient knows what their illness is - along with the person organising it.


Title: Re: Geography?
Post by: Topper Schomer on December 05, 2007, 11:07:54 AM
Hey, I'm a head of Geography who is happy to chair any geographical threads from coursework to general geology/ tectonics/ general physical geography stuff! (and may even entertain human at a push?) :)

Zenna!

Physicalgeography *starts dreaming of volcanonlagy andsizmology*

Topper


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: RoughBounds on December 05, 2007, 11:26:01 AM
hey what about human geography ....

hold on I will get my pith helmet

NOTE: the later is an allusion to the value laden geography and its role in depoliticising physical, social, political, cultural and economic dispossesion in the (neo)colonial age


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Fox Phlox on December 05, 2007, 11:36:00 AM
That's a marevl of compressed allusion represented by a form of headgear.

Could somebody say a little more about the different types of geography? Volcanology and the depoliticising of dispossession appear on the face of it to be worlds apart. What is it that links the study of the two of them?


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Topper Schomer on December 05, 2007, 01:21:33 PM
not a lot links thjem i really likephysical geogrphy but am not a keen on human. However I would chose geography to many other subjects.

Topper


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: RoughBounds on December 05, 2007, 01:39:38 PM
That's a marevl of compressed allusion represented by a form of headgear.

Could somebody say a little more about the different types of geography? Volcanology and the depoliticising of dispossession appear on the face of it to be worlds apart. What is it that links the study of the two of them?

Geography is about spaces, places, landscapes and peoples. These have an inherent physicality. However, they also touch on all sorts of aspects like 'how we are in the world' and how we understand it.  For example, landscapes are physically present and we can map the complex geological history of a landscape. However the word landscape comes from both a german idea of landscape as a unified political unit and a dutch idea of landscape which is that which is seen and appreciated aesthetically. Layered on top of the physical sediments that give landscape form are physical human interventions and social, political, economic and cultural inventions. It all gets very muddy and geographer human and physical analyse the mud.


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Fox Phlox on December 05, 2007, 01:48:16 PM
These have an inherent physicality.

I love the way that Second Life takes us right back to the basics in a subject. In history it challenged us to think about the role of history in a land which has been in place for less than a year.

In geography it challenges us to think about what geography is when it is separated from physicality. The political and aesthetic considerations are highlighted by the online environment. Perhaps in Second Life, human geography and volcanology (to take on example) are separate disciplines rather than one muddy whole?


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: PeterT on December 05, 2007, 03:02:06 PM
... Perhaps in Second Life, human geography and volcanology (to take on example) are separate disciplines rather than one muddy whole?

Can you do mud in SL?  ::)


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Fox Phlox on December 05, 2007, 03:23:00 PM
Well, thee are the mud farms of Canton, and the mud wrestling events at the University of Southern Queensland...

I think mud in Second Life tells us more about human geography than physical geography  :)


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Topper Schomer on December 05, 2007, 04:50:35 PM
I asked my geography teacher today and she is having a look tonight

Topper


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: RoughBounds on December 05, 2007, 05:09:23 PM
These have an inherent physicality.

I love the way that Second Life takes us right back to the basics in a subject. In history it challenged us to think about the role of history in a land which has been in place for less than a year.

In geography it challenges us to think about what geography is when it is separated from physicality. The political and aesthetic considerations are highlighted by the online environment. Perhaps in Second Life, human geography and volcanology (to take on example) are separate disciplines rather than one muddy whole?

Philosophers of science like Van Frassen ask what is the difference between the physical and the model (our visual representation of the physical). For example is it the modelling of the atom or plate techtonics that gives it an understandable physicallity rather than the things themselves which have unimaginable scales. So extrapolating this to SL, how does being co-present in the same space affect our understanding of it as a space, and how what is the relationship between the virtual (e.g. model of cardiovascular or solar system or hardians wall) and the actual.....


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Zenna on December 05, 2007, 06:10:54 PM
Ha!  Muddy indeed! :)  Topper you sound like a man after my own heart with your passion for physical Geography and Roughbounds, you sound like you could be a valuable source of info on the human side.  When you say, you're a lapsed Geographer, do you mean you've not chosen it at school? 

You know, 'Geography' is so dynamic and physical and human are interrelated, it is good to keep abreast of issues in both.  Praytell, did someone whisper the magic words..... volcano in SL?  Is it active? :D


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Miss. Vibia on December 05, 2007, 06:41:22 PM
Oooh... if you *could* do mud in SL you could go underground and have archaeological digs!  :D

Anyways.... Archaelogy is definately coming back isn't it??

And I'm glad that Geography is going to be coming in!  8)


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: KitKatKid Schomer on December 05, 2007, 06:50:26 PM
Can I just ask if there could possibly be a Health and Medicine board set up?


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: An¡mus on December 05, 2007, 07:14:20 PM
Ha!  Muddy indeed! :)  Topper you sound like a man after my own heart with your passion for physical Geography and Roughbounds, you sound like you could be a valuable source of info on the human side.  When you say, you're a lapsed Geographer, do you mean you've not chosen it at school? 

You know, 'Geography' is so dynamic and physical and human are interrelated, it is good to keep abreast of issues in both.  Praytell, did someone whisper the magic words..... volcano in SL?  Is it active? :D

Yes, good georgrapher. There is a volcano in Schome Park, and it is indeed very active, due to it's eruption proccess which you will see in me and JPskater777's machinima...  >:D


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Miss. Vibia on December 05, 2007, 07:23:24 PM
It erupted??

Seriously??

Yes we do have a volcano- partly becuase we were hoping to get a geography strand going in SPii but it just didn't happen!  :(


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: RoughBounds on December 05, 2007, 07:53:13 PM
Ha!  Muddy indeed! :)  Topper you sound like a man after my own heart with your passion for physical Geography and Roughbounds, you sound like you could be a valuable source of info on the human side.  When you say, you're a lapsed Geographer, do you mean you've not chosen it at school? 



Truth be told I was mainly into  maths and physics in school, geography came later, then went of again.


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Topper Schomer on December 05, 2007, 07:59:01 PM
how do you make the volcano erupt??

Topper


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Ronnie SParker on December 05, 2007, 08:35:39 PM
I am interested in medicine and doctoring so I would like maybe a Health and Medicine strand? This could include role plays and could also include a tie-in with E+p about moral issues etc. what do you think?

Just wondering if you've read 'The man who mistook his wife for a hat', by Oliver Sacks? If not, I recommend it.
Sacks is a neurologist, but has a great knack of bringing out the philosophical elements of his peculiar cases, questioning our ideas about self-identity, and about how we perceive and understand the world. There's a huge amount that could be discussed in this area, though not so sure how we would role-play obscure neurological disorders?  ???

 


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Achilles Schomer on December 05, 2007, 08:57:51 PM
the volcano erupts on a timer so say every hour or 30 minutes?


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Zenna on December 05, 2007, 11:10:20 PM
Oooh... if you *could* do mud in SL you could go underground and have archaeological digs! 

Anyways.... Archaelogy is definately coming back isn't it??

And I'm glad that Geography is going to be coming in! 

_____________________________________________________________________________________
Vibia, very interesting indeed, and if we could go underground, are there any cave systems set up?  Can they be 'built'?  That would be amazing!  I am also passionate about caving, coming from an area with one of Europe's largest cave systems........

Faz, I met you briefly last night as you were nodding (away) so I must investigate the volcano and also, looking forward to chatting with you about this.  Have you set up any seizmic centre on the island to predict eruptions and any possible earthquake implications for it's people?  i.e. drills for the residents in the event of the worst? Have you heard of 'roboroach'?  Are there ficticious plates near this island on which you could have a laser beam system to detect any movements?

Being so new, I am not aware of the capabilities of SL so forgive me if I'm suggesting the impossible, but how exciting!! :)


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: PeterT on December 06, 2007, 09:30:09 AM
Can I just ask if there could possibly be a Health and Medicine board set up?

I'm tempted to suggest that we should only set up new boards when a strand of activity has really started to take off - in the past we set up boards in anticipation of activity which then didn't always materialise - and too many boards makes the forum even more unmanageable (I find it pretty difficult to find my way around - or know where to post what - already!)

If enough folk think this is the wrong approach then I'm open to persuasion ... otherwise crack on with organising some Health and Medicine related 'activity' and we can take it from there ...

PeterT


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: PeterT on December 06, 2007, 09:37:53 AM
... There is a volcano in Schome Park, and it is indeed very active, due to it's eruption proccess which you will see in me and JPskater777's machinima...  >:D

I've seen the current version of this which is wonderful  8)  - but I suspect you are in breach of copyright with the soundtrack - you need to resolve that before you share the url with everyone ...

If it were in YouTube we could embed the video clip on the wiki - copyright permissions allowing - you can't do that for blip.tv at the moment as far as I am aware (hoping someone is going to tell me I'm wrong and explain how to do it ...).   

The copyright thing is a pain I know - mostly seems to get us on the soundtracks - I'm wondering whether the music folk couldn't be commissioned to produce some music for some of the machinima?  ???

PeterT


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: KitKatKid Schomer on December 06, 2007, 10:38:33 AM
I will organise some events then see how they go!


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Miss. Vibia on December 07, 2007, 04:15:51 PM
Vibia, very interesting indeed, and if we could go underground, are there any cave systems set up?  Can they be 'built'?  That would be amazing!  I am also passionate about caving, coming from an area with one of Europe's largest cave systems........

I think there was something on a thread a while back about some of us wanting caves... along with Atlantis!  :D

Caves would be interesting!


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Baso Schomer on December 11, 2007, 10:07:19 AM
On the thing of caves..theres an easy way around this...........have like the park ground level at 100, then akea huge crator under....voila.underground buildings :D Then just stick a floor on top of this crater (mega prims work  most of the time) And your done :D


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Achilles Schomer on December 11, 2007, 01:16:32 PM
mega prims work most of the time

yet are unstable and illegal under ll rules

schome park could be shut down


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Miss. Vibia on December 11, 2007, 08:09:09 PM
Well... maybe not a mega prim- but if we had a series of tunnels undergrund then surely we could have some small roof like things then it wouldn't be a mega prim and then we could still have the caves....  ???


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Marsbar9 Schomer on December 12, 2007, 05:26:32 PM
No doubt it will be like SPii - with paths. Why not use the paths to cover the caves?


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Explo Schomer on December 12, 2007, 05:45:22 PM
In which case, I apologise for spreading misinformation on this, albeit unwittingly. Thanks for the correction.


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Zenna on December 12, 2007, 10:01:49 PM
On the thing of caves..theres an easy way around this...........have like the park ground level at 100, then akea huge crator under....voila.underground buildings :D Then just stick a floor on top of this crater (mega prims work  most of the time) And your done :D

You make it sound lovely and easy Baso, are you interested in doing this then? :D


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Baso Schomer on December 13, 2007, 12:55:01 PM
mega prims work most of the time

yet are unstable and illegal under ll rules

schome park could be shut down

Megaprims are both legal and stable - provided they're less than 256x256x256. I don't know why there's a popular belief that everything's going to get Schome shut down. Megaprims will never become illegal - and the max prim size may (or may not) eventually be increased to 256x256x256, pending introduction of better parcel overlap detection. However, prims over 10x10x10 are likely to have some restrictions (e.g. no physics)

for example..they cannot be created hollow (ie they will act as if with no hollow evn if it was 95 per cent jhollow :P


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Baso Schomer on December 13, 2007, 12:58:19 PM
On the thing of caves..theres an easy way around this...........have like the park ground level at 100, then akea huge crator under....voila.underground buildings :D Then just stick a floor on top of this crater (mega prims work  most of the time) And your done :D

You make it sound lovely and easy Baso, are you interested in doing this then? :D


Weel zenna....and anyone else who is einterested, annything in second life..anything in real life is easy..so long as you how to do it..its the rules and reg that get in the way...this foum acts in general like almost everything is breaking the rules..is un neccesarry, or could reduce enjoyment of SP......megaprims under that of the size of the isle, and under 356 in hight are allowed...and  iwoul personally ensure that SP would not get shouted at for it. They are reliable to.

I would do this..but as we all know...were arent allowed on to make the first builds..and i have no way of giving you some of my mega rpims..or my dads megaprims for that matter...


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Zenna on December 13, 2007, 05:42:11 PM
On the thing of caves..theres an easy way around this...........have like the park ground level at 100, then akea huge crator under....voila.underground buildings :D Then just stick a floor on top of this crater (mega prims work  most of the time) And your done :D

You make it sound lovely and easy Baso, are you interested in doing this then? :D


Weel zenna....and anyone else who is einterested, annything in second life..anything in real life is easy..so long as you how to do it..its the rules and reg that get in the way...this foum acts in general like almost everything is breaking the rules..is un neccesarry, or could reduce enjoyment of SP......megaprims under that of the size of the isle, and under 356 in hight are allowed...and  iwoul personally ensure that SP would not get shouted at for it. They are reliable to.

I would do this..but as we all know...were arent allowed on to make the first builds..and i have no way of giving you some of my mega rpims..or my dads megaprims for that matter...

Well Baso, shall we investigate this further then?  I have never built anything and really don't understand what that entails or the logistics, but let's have a think and let me know if there's anything I can do to initiate this? :)


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Baso Schomer on January 09, 2008, 06:05:37 PM
well im hoping when the sim gets wiped...if it gets wiped, we could develope into doing this very easily. we currently are trying for the ability to get terraforming abilities, so if gotten, we could developed a caving system under buildings that already exist, as the building and the rouad will be covering them, the exception to this being that the lake going through sp1 would casue some of the sim to be unaccessable via cave but still,, very doable. We need pp and this terraforming ability first though.


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: An¡mus on January 09, 2008, 06:28:25 PM

It might be worth putting the cave system underneath the paths and buildings so we don't have to forge grass, but can have an equally big system! :)


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: KitKatKid Schomer on January 09, 2008, 09:13:49 PM

It might be worth putting the cave system underneath the paths and buildings so we don't have to forge grass, but can have an equally big system! :)

So like a double pathway? One above the other


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Baso Schomer on January 09, 2008, 10:33:08 PM
sort of..so basically..upperground is a replica of underground really....same layout :P


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Topper Schomer on January 10, 2008, 11:04:27 AM
have a sort of second floor space

Topper


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Miss. Vibia on January 10, 2008, 06:58:41 PM
Sounds good.  :D


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Marsbar9 Schomer on January 10, 2008, 06:59:46 PM
Is Dante planning on restarting AI?


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: PeterT on January 11, 2008, 10:46:09 AM
One of the things that I think we have agreed is that we MUST re-establish staff led strands of activity. We clearly got it wrong in Phase 2 in going much too far in the direction of expecting students to take the lead (which meant staff became much less proactive in doing things). I think that meant that we wasted a lot of staff expertise and lost our educational focus (to some degree).

To help move the discussion forward I have created a page in the wiki which suggests different types of activities and give the opportunity for folk to make suggestions etc (http://schome.open.ac.uk/wikiworks/index.php/SPP_Phase_3_activities). This is intended to stimulate (or even provoke) a reaction from you - so feel free to edit that page and/or discuss your thoughts in this topic ...

Do my major types of activities make sense?
What strands should we have? (what do we have the expertise to do - what would folk want to do)
etc



Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Euphloozie Phlox on January 11, 2008, 02:29:57 PM
I'm posting this here because I suspect that more people will read it here rather than in the wiki.

To help with newcomers, I'd like to suggest a regular weekly "Welcome to Schome Park" slot (name to be decided). Regular, in this context, means weekly but not necessarily at the same time each week. Timings would be posted on the events page.

This session would be open to all staff and students, both new and experienced, and would have the following goals:

Provide an informal but regular time-slot when at least one experienced member of staff (probably me) will be inworld.
Offer a synchronous space where newcomers can ask questions (and get answers).
Provide a time and space for people to meet socially inworld
Experienced students can come and demonstrate some of the artifacts they've made to new arrivals. (Airplane and boat tours of the island are particularly enjoyable)
New arrivals can learn and practice basic SL skills
Provide a time for members of the buddy system to meet up with each other.

Added later:
Having just gone through the wiki page http://schome.open.ac.uk/wikiworks/index.php/SPP_Phase_3_activities  (http://schome.open.ac.uk/wikiworks/index.php/SPP_Phase_3_activities) carefully, what I've suggested here seems a cross between Induction Sessions and Community workshops. Perhaps it would be better split out like that.


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Topper Schomer on January 11, 2008, 04:45:54 PM
What about a Podcast (going to be lerning how to do this at my Youth Group)

Topper


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: An¡mus on January 11, 2008, 05:55:54 PM

I think instead of a media strand have a music one, an art & photography one and a film/machinima one. That way we can cover broader subjects


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Marsbar9 Schomer on January 11, 2008, 06:08:49 PM
Well Pigment tends to do Machinima. (I could do the others, setting up media related discussions?)


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: An¡mus on January 11, 2008, 06:14:46 PM

Well, as Peter I think said, we do need to revert back to the "adults" leading msot of the sessions. I think it would be good if students volounteered to teach them as well, kind of like teaching assistants


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Marsbar9 Schomer on January 11, 2008, 06:16:59 PM
*Thinks of pointing out a) I started the media strand just before Pigment arrived. b) Students have just restarted Archaeology.


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: An¡mus on January 11, 2008, 06:20:27 PM

Yep, I get it, we rock.( :P) But don't you think that a little proffesional help might be better?


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Marsbar9 Schomer on January 11, 2008, 06:21:56 PM
Not in the case of Archaeology. Might be nice to prove we can run a really good strand, have regular sessions and all do it nicely.


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: An¡mus on January 11, 2008, 06:23:22 PM

Alright, I wasn't talking about archeology though was I?  ???


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Marsbar9 Schomer on January 11, 2008, 06:24:46 PM
I don't know - surely you're supposed to know? :P


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: An¡mus on January 11, 2008, 06:26:33 PM

I think instead of a media strand have a music one, an art & photography one and a film/machinima one. That way we can cover broader subjects

quoting myself, what has the world coming to?


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Marsbar9 Schomer on January 11, 2008, 06:27:08 PM
Argh, look at my post below that.  Confusing isn't it!?!


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Baso Schomer on January 11, 2008, 06:53:25 PM
i honestly  agree there should be staff leaders, but anyone can be an assistant....i think this would help get the show on the road, also i agree with faz's multi strand comment, it would help us be more clearer with these things...


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: PeterT on January 12, 2008, 10:24:02 AM
What about a Podcast (going to be lerning how to do this at my Youth Group)

Topper

Funny you should say that - Woop said the same thing to me just recently ...
What would you do in the podcasts?


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: PeterT on January 12, 2008, 10:32:39 AM
In saying that I think we need to re-establish staff led strands I was certainly not suggesting that there shouldn't be student led strands. It would be great if there were both. The point I was trying (clearly not very successfully) to make, is that we need to build in the expertise that we have in the community, and some of that resides in the staff, and so staff need to be more proactive in leading activities in future.

I also said that we needed two or three really strong strands. I guess I was thinking that these were likely to be staff led. However, it would be even better if, as Mars suggested, the students could prove that they could run a really effective strand.

Remember that strands are just one type of activity that I have suggested - others included projects, regular events, one off events, etc.. (http://schome.open.ac.uk/wikiworks/index.php/SPP_Phase_3_activities)

That then takes us back to the question of what those strands should be ...

In deciding upon this we need to balance the expertise in the community with the interests of community members - no point having a strand that nobody wants to be part of! So I guess there are two questions here:
a) What would people be interested in learning about (ie what strands would people like)?
b) What expertise do we have to draw upon (ie what strands could we run really well)?


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Topper Schomer on January 12, 2008, 01:57:59 PM
What about a Podcast (going to be lerning how to do this at my Youth Group)

Topper

Funny you should say that - Woop said the same thing to me just recently ...
What would you do in the podcasts?

You could have things like tutorials, introduction to the island (ie thing to orinatate you etc) have some info on strands put up and coming events in them and have some music composed by schomers etc.

Topper

Topper


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Marsbar9 Schomer on January 12, 2008, 04:19:01 PM
Does Topper's post sound familiar Faz? :P


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: An¡mus on January 12, 2008, 04:22:32 PM

It does.  ::)


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Topper Schomer on January 12, 2008, 08:41:30 PM
whaaa I composed that post ad libitum and basicly just thought about peters question and composed the ansaw as such. I did not plagurise. And where is this post you speack of.

Topper


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: An¡mus on January 13, 2008, 01:12:09 PM
apart from the music those are all things we are planning to put in the new second steps and scho-op :) (allbeit not in podcast form)


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: PeterT on January 14, 2008, 06:26:38 AM
apart from the music those are all things we are planning to put in the new second steps and scho-op :) (allbeit not in podcast form)

Great minds ...
  • think alike
  • work together


:)


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Elsa on January 14, 2008, 09:09:20 AM
Eli and I kicked off a maths group just before Christmas and early indications are that this could be useful to lots of people if we work together - meaning that it should be student-driven in terms of topic and Eli and I are happy to prepare sessions based on those drivers.

We also have another project that we'd like to start when the island is open again, working on an interactive sculpture.  Don't want to say too much about this now, but it will take several sessions to complete and everyone who participates will get the chance to learn/practice several different skills and have absolutely equal input to the finished piece.


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Topper Schomer on January 14, 2008, 11:08:09 AM
yes peter but fools seldom differ   >:D

Topper


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: PeterT on January 15, 2008, 07:09:51 AM
Eli and I kicked off a maths group just before Christmas and early indications are that this could be useful to lots of people if we work together - meaning that it should be student-driven in terms of topic and Eli and I are happy to prepare sessions based on those drivers.

We also have another project that we'd like to start when the island is open again, working on an interactive sculpture.  Don't want to say too much about this now, but it will take several sessions to complete and everyone who participates will get the chance to learn/practice several different skills and have absolutely equal input to the finished piece.

Both of these sound good to me - I'm intrigued by what interactive sculpture might be ...

Get those slots publicised on the Schome Park Events page (http://schome.open.ac.uk/wikiworks/index.php/Schome_Park_Events)... (I think this is going to become another of my mantras in Phase 3 - alongside 'please refocus on the topic'  ::) )


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: An¡mus on January 15, 2008, 04:37:52 PM

No, great minds do not think alike, that is why they are great.


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Explo Schomer on January 15, 2008, 05:00:11 PM
How do you explain the simultaneous creation of calculus, by Newton and Leibniz? Or more recently, the independent conversion by two groups of adult stem cells to a near embryonic state?


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Fox Phlox on January 15, 2008, 05:10:30 PM
Morphic resonance?


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Explo Schomer on January 15, 2008, 05:15:11 PM
I'm more inclined to consider individuals as grains of sand, moved by the moral zeitgeist (which is just a culmination of all the other grains of sand). One grain might be the first past a certain point, but it certainly didn't do it by itself-to mix my metaphors we truly stand on the shoulders of giants, and it is the cooperation required to make such a pyramid that is far greater than the person at the top. We're certainly no less for being one of many. Anyway, I've just gone and answered my own question...


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: An¡mus on January 15, 2008, 05:32:04 PM
How do you explain the simultaneous creation of calculus, by Newton and Leibniz? Or more recently, the independent conversion by two groups of adult stem cells to a near embryonic state?

I've never once thought about explaining the simultaneous creation of calculus, by Newton and Leibniz or the independent conversion by two groups of adult stem cells to a near embryonic state, but I'm going to go with accident lol


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Athena Schomer on January 16, 2008, 05:10:01 PM
Hi, everyone.  I'm totally new here, so I don't even know if this is the right place for this, but has anyone ever thought about a second life orchestra?  I can't imagine how something like that would work myself, but, judging from other posts I've read, it seems like anything is possible...



Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: estella Schomer on January 16, 2008, 05:15:58 PM
Hi, everyone.  I'm totally new here, so I don't even know if this is the right place for this, but has anyone ever thought about a second life orchestra?  I can't imagine how something like that would work myself, but, judging from other posts I've read, it seems like anything is possible...



the orchestra idea is brilliant
I'm totally going to join (violin)
who's the conductor? we should just start with a small chamber ensemble and eventually grow to a full size Tchaikovsky orchestra! so excited!
you should conduct!


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Thespian Schomer on January 16, 2008, 05:23:47 PM
That's a great idea! I would love to be a part of something like that! We should get this orchestra thing off the ground. I was also love to create a studio for mixing music and stuff. Tell me what you think!


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Marko Schomer on January 16, 2008, 06:35:55 PM
I think the ways of having an orchestra are limited to a) recording playing in real life (which might be made more difficult by the relatively low quality of many microphones- I know my in-built one isn't terribly good) or b) scripting instruments so that they play certain notes when keys are pressed. It would be interesting to try.  :)


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Topper Schomer on January 16, 2008, 06:46:16 PM
i think it was a member of staff (who's name escaps me) who had made some instroments and was going to help us make our own.

Topper


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Fox Phlox on January 16, 2008, 07:19:58 PM
Rab ran that session
http://schome.open.ac.uk/wikiworks/index.php/Rab%27s_Jam_Session

I think he has a selection of instruments which were brought over from the Main Grid.


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Achilles Schomer on January 16, 2008, 07:20:17 PM
Hi, everyone.  I'm totally new here, so I don't even know if this is the right place for this, but has anyone ever thought about a second life orchestra?  I can't imagine how something like that would work myself, but, judging from other posts I've read, it seems like anything is possible...



the orchestra idea is brilliant
I'm totally going to join (violin)
who's the conductor? we should just start with a small chamber ensemble and eventually grow to a full size Tchaikovsky orchestra! so excited!
you should conduct!

A more simpler aproach but less sl involved would be to set up voice chat and have the microphone on while playing live. though if you have no access outside of class then that could be difficult to say the least


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Pigment SParker on January 16, 2008, 07:29:26 PM
..sound sculptures...sound sculptures...sound sculptures....


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: PeterT on January 16, 2008, 07:35:41 PM
I think that an orchestra is a great idea - we have some instruments from the Main Grid (as Fox pointed out) and I think that Elsa's comment about interactive sculptures was to do with sound sculptures. May be difficult to do the new instruments - but heck it would be great if we could get it to work - and we have some instruments to start us off already ...   8)

Brilliant idea - and it could so tie in with the Schome Radio thingy (http://schome.open.ac.uk/wikiworks/index.php/Base_FM) ...


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Miss. Vibia on January 16, 2008, 08:35:57 PM
Although that it Base FM, it is now schomeTECH!  ;)


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Rowan on January 17, 2008, 01:20:24 PM
How about a 'book club'?  I am not at all sure if that is the right name, it probably isn't in that I don't mean we all decide to read the same book and discuss it which is what a book club usually seems to be.  Maybe 'books - reading and creative writing' would be better.  What I am suggesting and would be very willing to coordinate - or support or participate - would be a strand combining some of the following:

- creative writing (some brilliant stuff has happened in the past but we can make a new start - Schoems [short poems about schome a terrific innovation we could have another go at)
- multimedia authoring (not treading on toes of machinima etc but rather to do with making pictures and describing events for the http://schome.open.ac.uk/wikiworks/index.php/The_Schome_Park_bliki- some of which could be let's say 'fictionalised' - slight fantasy or totally outrageous (as long as fun, non-offensive and within the acceptable use policy).
- taking part in & just discussing things people do with books - OK read, talk about them even study them in English lessons - &  also the social online/offline ways of networking around books - sharing free books such as the BookCrossing scheme.

If there are any positive responses at all I will schedule an event or two in the calendar.  Obviously I would need some help - if it's OK if I start coordinating - or happy to support others.  I have found the forum hard to keep up with (although much easier since a big archive job was done a while ago thanks Fox and everyone who did that) so on the other hand if this suggestion is very much like another elsewhere do point me to it.

Rowan

PS Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong with the link I feel very stupid  :-\ as I have done this loads of times OK before


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Fox Phlox on January 17, 2008, 02:07:16 PM
This might tie in with the literature discussion which went on some time ago
http://schome.open.ac.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1121.0


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: PeterT on January 17, 2008, 03:08:45 PM
How about a 'book club'?  I am not at all sure if that is the right name, it probably isn't in that I don't mean we all decide to read the same book and discuss it which is what a book club usually seems to be.  Maybe 'books - reading and creative writing' would be better.  What I am suggesting and would be very willing to coordinate - or support or participate - would be a strand combining some of the following:

- creative writing (some brilliant stuff has happened in the past but we can make a new start - Schoems [short poems about schome a terrific innovation we could have another go at)
- multimedia authoring (not treading on toes of machinima etc but rather to do with making pictures and describing events for the http://schome.open.ac.uk/wikiworks/index.php/The_Schome_Park_bliki- some of which could be let's say 'fictionalised' - slight fantasy or totally outrageous (as long as fun, non-offensive and within the acceptable use policy).
- taking part in & just discussing things people do with books - OK read, talk about them even study them in English lessons - &  also the social online/offline ways of networking around books - sharing free books such as the BookCrossing scheme.

If there are any positive responses at all I will schedule an event or two in the calendar.  Obviously I would need some help - if it's OK if I start coordinating - or happy to support others.  I have found the forum hard to keep up with (although much easier since a big archive job was done a while ago thanks Fox and everyone who did that) so on the other hand if this suggestion is very much like another elsewhere do point me to it.

Rowan

PS Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong with the link I feel very stupid  :-\ as I have done this loads of times OK before

As Fox says this fits well with things others have suggested - we had a creative writing building in SPi and at the last staff meeting the idea of a creative writing group was suggested (I think) - and we have a poetry discussion somewhere in here - and there is all the stuff to do with writing scripts for machinima ...

I'd certainly be up for you to coordinate this (which wouldn't preclude anyone else getting involved and helping to run it too) - and a good way to start would be to have some intitial events and see how they develop.

There is info here on how to put a hot link into a forum message (http://schome.open.ac.uk/wikiworks/index.php/Help:Contents#Adding_a_hot_link_to_a_message) - it isn't obvious!

PeterT  8)


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: An¡mus on January 17, 2008, 03:51:51 PM
Although that it Base FM, it is now schomeTECH!  ;)

I guess it would be a little confusing calling it SchomeBase lol


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: RoughBounds on January 28, 2008, 11:29:19 AM
book group sounds interesting, perhaps we should start a what are you reading thread to complement what are you listening to


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Topper Schomer on January 28, 2008, 01:52:15 PM
we tried in the SNP progect but failed miserably

Topper


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Baso Schomer on January 28, 2008, 02:39:44 PM
SNP..im not familiar with that term


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: KitKatKid Schomer on January 28, 2008, 04:02:48 PM
Schome-Nagty Pilot I think?

Either that or Scottish National Party :P


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Decimus Schomer on January 28, 2008, 04:50:37 PM
Either that or Scottish National Party :P
Boo! :P

Still, the worst is the *B*NP - there's a reason they're nicknamed the 'British Nazi Party' :P


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Miss. Vibia on January 28, 2008, 08:26:23 PM
I like the idea of a book club thing....


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Rowan on January 29, 2008, 10:23:47 AM
Great Vibia can you manage one of these by any chance?
http://schome.open.ac.uk/wikiworks/index.php/Books


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: RoughBounds on January 29, 2008, 02:56:30 PM
I have started a what are you reading thread similar to what are you listening thread in the chat area

http://schome.open.ac.uk/forum/index.php?topic=2053.msg42034#msg42034

Need to check whether I can make book group meeting, did any see the series on CH4 sometime back


Title: Re: Another look at the strands?
Post by: Miss. Vibia on January 29, 2008, 06:33:04 PM
Should be able to make it... have signed up- hopefully can- have parent evening that night and I haven't been asked to help so I should be there!  ;)